All’European Fencing Championship (U23), durante la cerimonia della medaglia in cui la squadra israeliana ha vinto l’oro, le medaglie d’argento svizzere hanno girato le spalle alla bandiera israeliana. Questa azione ha suscitato significative polemiche, con funzionari israeliani che la definiscono “irrispettosi” e sottolineano che lo sport dovrebbe unirsi piuttosto che dividere.
Il ministro degli Esteri di Israele, Gideon Sa’ar, ha definito l’atto “comportamento vergognoso dalla squadra svizzera”. In seguito all’intervento diplomatico da parte del Ministero degli Affari esteri israeliani, il team svizzero ha emesso scuse.
Cosa ne pensi di questo incidente? Lo sport e la politica dovrebbero rimanere separati o ciò riflette questioni più grandi nella sportività internazionale?
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di magicmorz
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the Israeli officials can go fuck themselves
Good move lol, as they should. Nothing going against the israeli team’s members directly (idk their beliefs after all) but their government is out here committing a genocide. Their action makes total sense. 🙂
as long as they treated the isreali players well and only turned their backs on the flag, it is fine.
extremely childish
> What are your thoughts on this incident? Should sports and politics stay separate, or does this reflect larger issues in international sportsmanship?
You post a lot in /r/IDF, so I think you’re just here trying to stir up shit. Go away.
They can swear, lie, shout, but they can’t hide Fact that without US support they would be shredded to the pieces by their neighbors. I can speak for myself, but responding with genocide to terrorist attack, while oppressing 2 millions of people in Gaza for years without any respond, any mercy, shooting to children out of boredom, rejecting Food transports or currently bombarding medical transports is not an equal answer. As I said – I speak for myself, I don’t want to discuss that any further.
I really don’t care. Those guys are free to look in whatever direction they want
I don’t think Israel is in a position to tell other countries what is shameful and what isn’t.
I believe that to a certain extent we can should seperate politics and sports however the members of the swiss team should be entitled to their opinions and liberty of speech/actions as long as it doesn’t harm anyone which here it clearly doesn’t.
I think it would be disrespecful to expect the individuals within the teams to have to show “respect” to a flag which they do have negative feelings about. Speak up and stand up to the things in which you believe. Good on them.
On a side note, Why is Israel at the european championship?
These Swiss fencers have forgotten about where their Nazi gold came from, eh?
Look, countries do shitty things in their own national interests… Especially Israel-Middle East conflict where the chicken and egg problem is very real
there is no need to make inconsequential gesture like this, only to upset your fellow fencers… Bibi just doesn’t care
Yes, the Swiss team should unite with the Israelis and encourage them to shit on human rights even more. Maybe they could have abused some Palestinian kids as a sign of solidarity. Israel isn’t even in Europe. Why do they take part in the European championship?
based
The biggest issue is the team feeling pressured to issue an apology for this. Israel is not a holy cow and it should be fine to express opinions about it.
Well seperating sports and politics is pointless. After all many athletes compete under their country‘s flag. And a country is a political entity.
As for this action, great I would have done the same and not apologized.
Turned their backs on a genocidal state’s representation through their flag. I have respect for these athletes. Do not stay silent and have class
>Should sports and politics stay separate
Regardless of our thoughts about this particular incident, this is not true. Sports and politics have always been closely intertwined. Most big international sport events now take place in autocratic countries as advertisement. Remember the Olympia boycotts? Remember ping-pong diplomacy? Nationalists love to use sports to compete and prove their superiority. Remember Hitler’s games in ’36? Remember how Jesse Owens embarassed Hitler? Remember the many times black athletes used their platform in sports to ask for civil rights? Many fan clubs and sports clubs have political leanings. Some have changed world history, such as the boxer revolution in China.
So, again, regardless of whether you like this gesture or not, it’s not breaking a taboo or otherwise special that political topics show up in sports like this.
like they turned their backs on jewish refugees in WW2
Israel shouldn’t have been participating.
If you have to dig up U23 fencing I’m thinking you really have nothing else going on.
Sport must be independant until we get to use sports to be political. Like Gideon Sa’ar is doing there.
Incredibly based, the kids are alright
Honestly sport competitions and olimpics shouldn’t’ have national flags, just athletes. The whole idea of unite nations through sports was flawed.
For the rest, free people, freedom to do whatever they want. Regardless if I agree with them or not.
I’m thrilled for Israel’s gold medal win at the European Fencing Championship! I stand with Israel and applaud their victory—proud of their achievement!
Very proud of them!
That’s not them turning their back it’s them being neutral as usual!
My thoughts are someone else’s comment on the Ukrainian boy who did not want to take a photo with the other Russian child at a competition in Spain.
This is just a sad consequence of powerful men’s choices.
It is sad for Israelis who are not at fault for being born in a country ruled by a terrible man and terrible ideologies.
And it is sad for others who are ultimately and unfortunately reminded of the aggression that Israel is causing at a moment of celebration.
Everyone is losing and neither of them (the swiss and israeli athletes) are to blame
Israel should not be allowed to participate in any international event. It was ok to ban yugoslavia at that time of war, but israel is somehow fine?
Ideally sport should be politics-free but it hasn’t been for a looong time.
And given we are where we are, with sport politicised, then out of all the countries to be excluded from the international sport, Israel should be the first one. Why are they recognised as a valid state and given participation rights despite nearly 80 years of brutal oppression and genocide, invasions of every neighbour, involvements in brutal juntas of the past, etc?
Every country should participate in BDS to put an end to that rogue apartheid state, literally modern day nazis.
https://www.bdsmovement.net/what-bds
They should ask Palestinian athletes what they think of this disrespect.
Bravo to them ! Class act of humanity !👏
Long live the struggle for a free Palestine!
And don’t come with the “sport should stay out of politics” most of you who come with this BS support the banning of Russia or Iran in sport events …
I don’t see the Problem. They can look wherever they want.
That will show them! **/s**
Side note: israelis don’t get to lecture other countries on anything, ever.
My opinion is “everybody sucks here”
non violent protesting is definitely part of free speech
I would have done the same, good on them. Sad they had to issue an apology.
>the Eurooean Fencing Championship
> the Israeli team won gold?
what?