What does this mean? No authorized doctors in Germany are ethnically German?
Apollo_Wersten on
I wouldn’t say this is an example of brain drain. Turks are living in Germany since the 60s. Originally they mostly did manual labour but their kids and grandkids, who are often German citizens by the way, have worked themselves up the ladder. I would say that this is a success story.
MZeh84 on
Nostrification into Germany from outside the EU is quite a process, those three doctors were more likely born in Germany. If anything, it is a sign of Integration at work.
Lush_Gleam on
“A powerful reminder that when countries fail to value their brightest minds, others gladly will
Novel_Quote8017 on
How do you know that these people are Turkish?
Karlsefni1 on
If I may ask, have Turks integrating well in Germany? Just a curiosity
UnlikelyHero727 on
My experience of staying in three Munich hospitals was that pretty much all the doctors were German, but pretty much all the technicians and nurses were foreign, with exYu being the most numerous, but also Phillipines, Poland, even a Canadian, and a couple of Africans.
Turks are probably more numerous in Berlin and the Ruhr area, while Munich is dominated by exYu.
Tricky-Union4827 on
Rather evident of integration due to it being very hard to educate yourself as a doctor in Turkey then take those credentials to Germany vs being educated and integrated in Germany as a doctor with Turkish heritage.
DreamyNyah on
“Good thing they left — wouldn’t want overqualified people messing up the system back home
Sidelobes on
So you look at names and derive their nationality from that? Welcome to the twenty-first century… where these kind of conclusions simply do not work anymore 🙃
IMDubzs on
So immigration working in this case, but still crying.
TrinityCodex on
What Brains are Draining in this example?
calijnaar on
Unless you are in the habit of checking your doctors’ passports, there isn’t really a way for you to know that any of these people are Turkish. They could very well all be German citizens. This isn’t really proof of any brain drain, it’s perfectly possible that all of these doctors were born in Germany and went to German universities.
LemonSlushieee on
And what is the problem with that? Whenever I had a “non-german” doctor treat me, they have always been very friendly and tried to educate me about my illness etc. as best as they could.
Dreams_of_Korsar on
Yay! Fachkräfte!
Miss_Annie_Munich on
To conclude from 3 names on a doctor’s certificate that all the doctors at the hospital are of Turkish origin is quite far-fetched
nim_opet on
And all the nurses are from ex-YU. Heck, one of my dad’s friends took not only his nursing staff with him when he moved his practice to Germany, but also the cleaning staff because they’re specially certified (he’s an infectious disease specialist working with HIV).
SouthDetective7721 on
Not a dog, but I hear the whistle.
Daddynurgle1887 on
I go heart surcerie in the “Herzzentrum münchen” i guess there was about 30 percent of German doctors the Rest i meet only speaked english or Broken German…i dont care they did there Job good
Dull-Philosopher1505 on
Many newborns in Germany did not get a German name. Would you conclude Germans didn’t gave birth instead only other nations living here?
sphynxcolt on
God forbid people are smart and strive for a career.
w3bba on
This is not brain drain. This is proper Integration of 1st/2nd/3rd generation immigrants (most likely 2nd and 3rd)
OneRegular378 on
They have Turkish names. They might be Germans like me and you.
GlobalBarber62 on
For Germany it is quite good to have doctors actually from all over Europe, but therefore for exemple in Poland or Bulgaria, there are pretty much no doctors left for the people there.
Tall_Help_1925 on
We have people with turkish names whos families live here for multiple generations. I’d hardly call them Turkish.
D15c0untMD on
A lot of those aren’t turkish-turkish, but descendants from immigrants or possibly in country for the majority of their lives. In the US, 3 docs signing a document with „anderson“, „ramirez“, and „chang“ are possibly all born and raised in the US.
new_accnt1234 on
Every country is short om docs, whichever country gets them wins
Except US, US isnnot short om docs as there they are millionaires and healthcare isnt regulated
KBrieger on
People with those names might have been born and living their whole life in Germany. Could all be German doctors.
Low-Travel-1421 on
Dude those are probably Turkish people who were born in Germany.
OneRegular378 on
How do you know they were Turkish – did you ask for papers?
Papa-Yaga on
Maybe we’d have more doctors if they didn’t require near perfect grades from people to study medicine in Germany.
Flaky_Control_1903 on
15% of Turkish people in Germany don’t work and life of wellfare, Germans 5% if I remember correctly.
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Where are German doctors?
What does this mean? No authorized doctors in Germany are ethnically German?
I wouldn’t say this is an example of brain drain. Turks are living in Germany since the 60s. Originally they mostly did manual labour but their kids and grandkids, who are often German citizens by the way, have worked themselves up the ladder. I would say that this is a success story.
Nostrification into Germany from outside the EU is quite a process, those three doctors were more likely born in Germany. If anything, it is a sign of Integration at work.
“A powerful reminder that when countries fail to value their brightest minds, others gladly will
How do you know that these people are Turkish?
If I may ask, have Turks integrating well in Germany? Just a curiosity
My experience of staying in three Munich hospitals was that pretty much all the doctors were German, but pretty much all the technicians and nurses were foreign, with exYu being the most numerous, but also Phillipines, Poland, even a Canadian, and a couple of Africans.
Turks are probably more numerous in Berlin and the Ruhr area, while Munich is dominated by exYu.
Rather evident of integration due to it being very hard to educate yourself as a doctor in Turkey then take those credentials to Germany vs being educated and integrated in Germany as a doctor with Turkish heritage.
“Good thing they left — wouldn’t want overqualified people messing up the system back home
So you look at names and derive their nationality from that? Welcome to the twenty-first century… where these kind of conclusions simply do not work anymore 🙃
So immigration working in this case, but still crying.
What Brains are Draining in this example?
Unless you are in the habit of checking your doctors’ passports, there isn’t really a way for you to know that any of these people are Turkish. They could very well all be German citizens. This isn’t really proof of any brain drain, it’s perfectly possible that all of these doctors were born in Germany and went to German universities.
And what is the problem with that? Whenever I had a “non-german” doctor treat me, they have always been very friendly and tried to educate me about my illness etc. as best as they could.
Yay! Fachkräfte!
To conclude from 3 names on a doctor’s certificate that all the doctors at the hospital are of Turkish origin is quite far-fetched
And all the nurses are from ex-YU. Heck, one of my dad’s friends took not only his nursing staff with him when he moved his practice to Germany, but also the cleaning staff because they’re specially certified (he’s an infectious disease specialist working with HIV).
Not a dog, but I hear the whistle.
I go heart surcerie in the “Herzzentrum münchen” i guess there was about 30 percent of German doctors the Rest i meet only speaked english or Broken German…i dont care they did there Job good
Many newborns in Germany did not get a German name. Would you conclude Germans didn’t gave birth instead only other nations living here?
God forbid people are smart and strive for a career.
This is not brain drain. This is proper Integration of 1st/2nd/3rd generation immigrants (most likely 2nd and 3rd)
They have Turkish names. They might be Germans like me and you.
For Germany it is quite good to have doctors actually from all over Europe, but therefore for exemple in Poland or Bulgaria, there are pretty much no doctors left for the people there.
We have people with turkish names whos families live here for multiple generations. I’d hardly call them Turkish.
A lot of those aren’t turkish-turkish, but descendants from immigrants or possibly in country for the majority of their lives. In the US, 3 docs signing a document with „anderson“, „ramirez“, and „chang“ are possibly all born and raised in the US.
Every country is short om docs, whichever country gets them wins
Except US, US isnnot short om docs as there they are millionaires and healthcare isnt regulated
People with those names might have been born and living their whole life in Germany. Could all be German doctors.
Dude those are probably Turkish people who were born in Germany.
How do you know they were Turkish – did you ask for papers?
Maybe we’d have more doctors if they didn’t require near perfect grades from people to study medicine in Germany.
15% of Turkish people in Germany don’t work and life of wellfare, Germans 5% if I remember correctly.