As far as I’m aware, Northern is still widely regarded as a total pile of shit, crap trains, slow, late, cancellations, and expensive. And they were nationalised over five years ago.
As a socialist, I’m all for nationalisation of key national industries, but you can’t just half-arse it and hope everything works out well.
At the moment nationalised train companies seem worse than British Rail in its last years, when it was being deliberately underfunded and run into the ground to pave the way for privatisation. So that’s saying something.
k3nn3h on
Its unlikely we’ll see much difference, unfortunately. Britain already uses its rail network incredibly efficiently. This gives the counterintuitive outcome of frequent delays—we saturate the lines so completely that the smallest issue can cascade throughout the day.
The rail franchises (the bit that’s going to be nationalised) don’t have control over any of this; infrastructure is controlled by the government, and they have close to zero appetite to improve it.
AsianOnee on
Price will not change as long as the strike goes on and on
NonagoonInfinity on
It’s not nationalised though. The rolling stock is still private.
caughtatfirstslip on
Prices are never going down. I don’t know who needs to hear this but if you believe rail, energy, food, water, rent prices etc are ever coming down, they won’t. It doesn’t matter what happens. You could privatise all water companies, take back all housing stock from housing associations and make them council owned again, it won’t bring prices down.
The biggest issue with British railways is the high cost and nationalisation will not do anything about that.
MDK1980 on
Trains don’t really need to be improved by much. Just don’t want to have to pay what a return flight would cost to travel an hour on a train.
Unique_Hour_791 on
Just wait until they stop giving drivers annual pay rises, then you’ll see a shit service
shrunkenshrubbery on
I would be happier with a train I was travelling on knowing the staff were being looked after and that nobody was leeching the company for dividends.
Beyond that much depends on good leadership and coherent policy.
Salaried_Zebra on
It might if it was all one single national entity. Right now it’s all fragmented so there’s no benefit. If it could be unified then the opportunity opens up for fair fare reform and make rail pricing make sense. Making it non-profit would mean the incentive to keep gouging communiters goes alway.
I wonder how much things would be improved if we just deleted roscos, and instead either the trains themselves were nationalised or just owned by the rail operators. It seems to me they extract a lot of money while adding no value whatsoever.
sbdavi on
Who cares? Can it get any worse? If there are problems going forward, we can hold the government to account. How are we supposed to hold monopoly companies to account?? The point is, you can’t.!! It’s insane that we think granting a monopoly to a business is going to help service. Just because we want to avoid the up front cost.
Sea_Version3824 on
I doubt it will make much difference – it won’t be owned by private companies, but they will pick up the contracts for running it albeit on a budget
bobblebob100 on
Wont make a difference. One way to improve the railways was the full HS2 line, and the Government at the time scrapped it so
AllGoodNamesAreGone4 on
I’m hopeful, however the bar is so low that the tunnelling project required to reach it would take 20 years and cost the taxpayer £100 billion.
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As far as I’m aware, Northern is still widely regarded as a total pile of shit, crap trains, slow, late, cancellations, and expensive. And they were nationalised over five years ago.
As a socialist, I’m all for nationalisation of key national industries, but you can’t just half-arse it and hope everything works out well.
At the moment nationalised train companies seem worse than British Rail in its last years, when it was being deliberately underfunded and run into the ground to pave the way for privatisation. So that’s saying something.
Its unlikely we’ll see much difference, unfortunately. Britain already uses its rail network incredibly efficiently. This gives the counterintuitive outcome of frequent delays—we saturate the lines so completely that the smallest issue can cascade throughout the day.
The rail franchises (the bit that’s going to be nationalised) don’t have control over any of this; infrastructure is controlled by the government, and they have close to zero appetite to improve it.
Price will not change as long as the strike goes on and on
It’s not nationalised though. The rolling stock is still private.
Prices are never going down. I don’t know who needs to hear this but if you believe rail, energy, food, water, rent prices etc are ever coming down, they won’t. It doesn’t matter what happens. You could privatise all water companies, take back all housing stock from housing associations and make them council owned again, it won’t bring prices down.
The biggest issue with British railways is the high cost and nationalisation will not do anything about that.
Trains don’t really need to be improved by much. Just don’t want to have to pay what a return flight would cost to travel an hour on a train.
Just wait until they stop giving drivers annual pay rises, then you’ll see a shit service
I would be happier with a train I was travelling on knowing the staff were being looked after and that nobody was leeching the company for dividends.
Beyond that much depends on good leadership and coherent policy.
It might if it was all one single national entity. Right now it’s all fragmented so there’s no benefit. If it could be unified then the opportunity opens up for fair fare reform and make rail pricing make sense. Making it non-profit would mean the incentive to keep gouging communiters goes alway.
I wonder how much things would be improved if we just deleted roscos, and instead either the trains themselves were nationalised or just owned by the rail operators. It seems to me they extract a lot of money while adding no value whatsoever.
Who cares? Can it get any worse? If there are problems going forward, we can hold the government to account. How are we supposed to hold monopoly companies to account?? The point is, you can’t.!! It’s insane that we think granting a monopoly to a business is going to help service. Just because we want to avoid the up front cost.
I doubt it will make much difference – it won’t be owned by private companies, but they will pick up the contracts for running it albeit on a budget
Wont make a difference. One way to improve the railways was the full HS2 line, and the Government at the time scrapped it so
I’m hopeful, however the bar is so low that the tunnelling project required to reach it would take 20 years and cost the taxpayer £100 billion.