I don’t know why there are scare quotes around “stimulates the future”, folks should reflect upon what the word “forecast” means.
cmfarsight on
is “simulates the future” not what weather forecasting has always been?
ang-p on
Towards the end of the day, mushroom clouds will be seen over….
fantasy53 on
I can Predict the weather without a supercomputer, if it’s a bank holiday or summer holidays it will be raining, if you’re forced to be indoors there will be beautiful sunshine outside, and on the day you repair your fence there will be a storm to knock it down again.
Grantus89 on
Are they just using Microsoft Azure and calling it a supercomputer? Or do they have something custom with Microsoft?
Express-Doughnut-562 on
Quite an interesting history behind this. They put it out for tender and chose Microsoft but a rival bidder, Atos threw their toys out of the pram.
Atos did a bid to win the tender rather than provide the functionality – their test environment ran on cheaper, less powerful hardware making it pretty much junk. They would have known that, but because the tender wasn’t 100% clear the challenged it and ended up getting [$29m](https://www.theregister.com/2023/01/09/uk_gov_atos_settlement/) for not supplying a system.
Highlights a real issue with government procurement; anyone with any knowledge of the system and its function would know the test environment needs to be architecturally the same as production – otherwise it won’t be valid. But Atos used that to their advantage to either win the bid at a lower price or – I suspect – not win and get money for challenging it.
That’s no fault of the met office, the people there have done a great job and this new system should be really beneficial.
Glad_Buffalo_5037 on
I’m sure they paid millions, if not a billion for a supercomputer a few years ago and it’s still useless at predicting the weather, I very much doubt this will be any better. Just lining someone’s pockets
It will also help that the government now wants to dim the sun using planes
Shadeun on
TLDR;
They are able to run the ensemble models in parallel instead of sequentially.
i.e. They change the current conditions a little bit, this way and that, and see what falls out the back
*however, they are talking absolute bullshit about the 14 day having similar accuracy to the 7-8-9 day window – unless they are just talking about the MET’s models which were previously so shit (vs the ECMWF/GFS ensembles) that there is no real accuracy beyond day 7 anyway. e.g. a childs guess of the 7th day weather is probably of similar accuracy to his 14th day forecast.*
cassidyc3141 on
New weather computer is in the cloud. The puns write themselves… 🙂
Infrared_Herring on
Yeah heard the same thing around 1999 when they sent millions on a weather simulator. Turned out it was rubbish.
bobblebob100 on
Weather is so localised these days. Ive been at work where its pissing down of rain and looks like the world is ending. 3 miles away at home its blue sky and sunny
PackageOk4947 on
lol so to tell me when its either going to be blazingly hawt or wet.
funkmachine7 on
What where they using before? Knuckle bones an tea leaves?
MisterSmithster on
I don’t need a supercomputer to tell me it’ll be red hot whilst I’m at work then pissing down at the weekend.
Groffulon on
All I hear is ‘simulates the future of less jobs in the weather industry’
Theodin_King on
You mean they’ve just built a small machine learning algorithm
HarmadeusZex on
Eventually it will make weather for us. As long as we in the room, but wait
JenovasChild666 on
If I recall correctly, isn’t this also the meaning of the word “forecast”?
newnortherner21 on
Will be now get real meteorologists reading the weather now then?
Traxex117 on
>make 14-day forecasts nearly as accurate as seven-day forecasts
They can barely get a 2 day forecast accurate and we are talking about 14 days?
paper_zoe on
at what point does a computer become a supercomputer?
wolfiasty on
What about euro millions numbers ? I’ll pay £million for correct prediction.
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I don’t know why there are scare quotes around “stimulates the future”, folks should reflect upon what the word “forecast” means.
is “simulates the future” not what weather forecasting has always been?
Towards the end of the day, mushroom clouds will be seen over….
I can Predict the weather without a supercomputer, if it’s a bank holiday or summer holidays it will be raining, if you’re forced to be indoors there will be beautiful sunshine outside, and on the day you repair your fence there will be a storm to knock it down again.
Are they just using Microsoft Azure and calling it a supercomputer? Or do they have something custom with Microsoft?
Quite an interesting history behind this. They put it out for tender and chose Microsoft but a rival bidder, Atos threw their toys out of the pram.
Atos did a bid to win the tender rather than provide the functionality – their test environment ran on cheaper, less powerful hardware making it pretty much junk. They would have known that, but because the tender wasn’t 100% clear the challenged it and ended up getting [$29m](https://www.theregister.com/2023/01/09/uk_gov_atos_settlement/) for not supplying a system.
Highlights a real issue with government procurement; anyone with any knowledge of the system and its function would know the test environment needs to be architecturally the same as production – otherwise it won’t be valid. But Atos used that to their advantage to either win the bid at a lower price or – I suspect – not win and get money for challenging it.
That’s no fault of the met office, the people there have done a great job and this new system should be really beneficial.
I’m sure they paid millions, if not a billion for a supercomputer a few years ago and it’s still useless at predicting the weather, I very much doubt this will be any better. Just lining someone’s pockets
*You call this a super computer?*
[*https://frinkiac.com/img/S07E17/703803.jpg*](https://frinkiac.com/img/S07E17/703803.jpg)
It will also help that the government now wants to dim the sun using planes
TLDR;
They are able to run the ensemble models in parallel instead of sequentially.
i.e. They change the current conditions a little bit, this way and that, and see what falls out the back
*however, they are talking absolute bullshit about the 14 day having similar accuracy to the 7-8-9 day window – unless they are just talking about the MET’s models which were previously so shit (vs the ECMWF/GFS ensembles) that there is no real accuracy beyond day 7 anyway. e.g. a childs guess of the 7th day weather is probably of similar accuracy to his 14th day forecast.*
New weather computer is in the cloud. The puns write themselves… 🙂
Yeah heard the same thing around 1999 when they sent millions on a weather simulator. Turned out it was rubbish.
Weather is so localised these days. Ive been at work where its pissing down of rain and looks like the world is ending. 3 miles away at home its blue sky and sunny
lol so to tell me when its either going to be blazingly hawt or wet.
What where they using before? Knuckle bones an tea leaves?
I don’t need a supercomputer to tell me it’ll be red hot whilst I’m at work then pissing down at the weekend.
All I hear is ‘simulates the future of less jobs in the weather industry’
You mean they’ve just built a small machine learning algorithm
Eventually it will make weather for us. As long as we in the room, but wait
If I recall correctly, isn’t this also the meaning of the word “forecast”?
Will be now get real meteorologists reading the weather now then?
>make 14-day forecasts nearly as accurate as seven-day forecasts
They can barely get a 2 day forecast accurate and we are talking about 14 days?
at what point does a computer become a supercomputer?
What about euro millions numbers ? I’ll pay £million for correct prediction.