This now feels like it’s creating a problem, to sell the solution…
Krabsandwich on
Well they have been pitch rolling for this statement for a while now, rather than do a total U turn and have very wealthy people get the Winter Fuel payment again, it looks like they will raise the cap on who can claim it. Its still means testing but with a much higher ceiling so no more missing out by being over the current cap by £1.50.
Nimble_Natu177 on
Its not even a U-Turn, its just doing donuts in reverse gear now.
caughtatfirstslip on
More bribes to win the pensioner vote with the tab being picked up by the tax payer. Cheers Kier.
Dry-Tough4139 on
Didn’t the last triple lock rise go up by more than the value of the winter fuel payment over inflation ?
There must be better things to spend things on.
HotelPuzzleheaded654 on
For all the furore they’ve got over the cut to WFA they may as well gone with full blown pension reform.
Also a U turn isn’t going to win back any voters in my view, you can’t put that genie back in the bottle.
scottrobertson on
I really don’t get why winter fuel payments is such a big deal. It’s means tested. We should not be giving it to people who don’t need it.
Classic_Peasant on
Something something, Triple Lock.
Something something, my pay rise no where near as high as Triple Lock.
Something something, U-turn?
Huge___Milkers on
Hey Kier anything to benefit people that aren’t OAPs?
Or does everything you do have to have solely benefit pensioners that already have every policy tailored towards them?
_Monsterguy_ on
Still no fucks given about their plans to destroy PIP and ruin disabled peoples lives…
AdAggressive9224 on
To be honest the whole thing was framed badly. It was framed as “axing the winter fuel allowance for poor pensioners”. When in reality it was “means testing benefits”.
I would have bundled it with a package of means tested benefits changes, that way it would be harder to argue against this cut because you could just turn around and say “we didn’t axe it, we means tested it”.
I think the issue is that it’s been sold as a personal attack on a specific group in society. If it had been part of a wider package of means testing *all* benefits, it would have felt less personal.
moon_nicely on
Why not just assign each pensioner a young person to be the there slave instead?
ContributionIll5741 on
Every other benefit is means tested , why shouldn’t this be?
negan90 on
Joke of a country.
Our workforce exists to serve the boomers. Modern day debt bondage.
saxsan4 on
The country is rigged for pensioners becusse young people don’t vote
Until voting is compulsory, nothing will change
TwpMun on
They’ll take money from the disabled instead, they’ll complain less because they can’t.
McCretin on
Right yeah, of course.
Gotta keep shovelling money towards the olds while the birthrate collapses and schools shut down because younger people can’t afford kids.
I guess after this debacle we can kiss goodbye to any hope of reform to the triple lock.
Shawn_The_Sheep777 on
Perhaps raising the cap would be a good idea but there are a lot of well off pensioners who really don’t need the payment. I spoke to someone last week who said they used theirs to buy a coffee maker!!
tezmo666 on
Imagine if they actually addressed the underlying cause and fixed our broken energy system. We have the highest energy rates in Europe, spending something mad like 60% more per unit than most European nations.
We could save on all this means testing admin bullshit because no poor fucker would need it.
salamanderwolf on
Kier changing his mind on a pledge. Say it ain’t so.
Now do disability and tax wealth you coward.
blob8543 on
Shameful.
The tax payer will again be forced to give a freebie to old people who don’t need it while the disabled continue to be punished and the young/middle age working people continue to be ignored.
borangefpl on
“We will go further and faster to reduce inflation” (other than giving more free money to pensioners)
Send_Me_Dachshunds on
Starmer states they’re changing the fuel allowance, Badenoch then asks if he’s going to change the winter fuel allowance.
She is beyond help, such an awful leader of the opposition. The tories will drop her as soon as they’re allowed to she’s completely hopeless.
jamezp1 on
If the government can just bring the average price of energy bills down by greater than £300, can’t we just scrap the bloody thing?
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This now feels like it’s creating a problem, to sell the solution…
Well they have been pitch rolling for this statement for a while now, rather than do a total U turn and have very wealthy people get the Winter Fuel payment again, it looks like they will raise the cap on who can claim it. Its still means testing but with a much higher ceiling so no more missing out by being over the current cap by £1.50.
Its not even a U-Turn, its just doing donuts in reverse gear now.
More bribes to win the pensioner vote with the tab being picked up by the tax payer. Cheers Kier.
Didn’t the last triple lock rise go up by more than the value of the winter fuel payment over inflation ?
There must be better things to spend things on.
For all the furore they’ve got over the cut to WFA they may as well gone with full blown pension reform.
Also a U turn isn’t going to win back any voters in my view, you can’t put that genie back in the bottle.
I really don’t get why winter fuel payments is such a big deal. It’s means tested. We should not be giving it to people who don’t need it.
Something something, Triple Lock.
Something something, my pay rise no where near as high as Triple Lock.
Something something, U-turn?
Hey Kier anything to benefit people that aren’t OAPs?
Or does everything you do have to have solely benefit pensioners that already have every policy tailored towards them?
Still no fucks given about their plans to destroy PIP and ruin disabled peoples lives…
To be honest the whole thing was framed badly. It was framed as “axing the winter fuel allowance for poor pensioners”. When in reality it was “means testing benefits”.
I would have bundled it with a package of means tested benefits changes, that way it would be harder to argue against this cut because you could just turn around and say “we didn’t axe it, we means tested it”.
I think the issue is that it’s been sold as a personal attack on a specific group in society. If it had been part of a wider package of means testing *all* benefits, it would have felt less personal.
Why not just assign each pensioner a young person to be the there slave instead?
Every other benefit is means tested , why shouldn’t this be?
Joke of a country.
Our workforce exists to serve the boomers. Modern day debt bondage.
The country is rigged for pensioners becusse young people don’t vote
Until voting is compulsory, nothing will change
They’ll take money from the disabled instead, they’ll complain less because they can’t.
Right yeah, of course.
Gotta keep shovelling money towards the olds while the birthrate collapses and schools shut down because younger people can’t afford kids.
I guess after this debacle we can kiss goodbye to any hope of reform to the triple lock.
Perhaps raising the cap would be a good idea but there are a lot of well off pensioners who really don’t need the payment. I spoke to someone last week who said they used theirs to buy a coffee maker!!
Imagine if they actually addressed the underlying cause and fixed our broken energy system. We have the highest energy rates in Europe, spending something mad like 60% more per unit than most European nations.
We could save on all this means testing admin bullshit because no poor fucker would need it.
Kier changing his mind on a pledge. Say it ain’t so.
Now do disability and tax wealth you coward.
Shameful.
The tax payer will again be forced to give a freebie to old people who don’t need it while the disabled continue to be punished and the young/middle age working people continue to be ignored.
“We will go further and faster to reduce inflation” (other than giving more free money to pensioners)
Starmer states they’re changing the fuel allowance, Badenoch then asks if he’s going to change the winter fuel allowance.
She is beyond help, such an awful leader of the opposition. The tories will drop her as soon as they’re allowed to she’s completely hopeless.
If the government can just bring the average price of energy bills down by greater than £300, can’t we just scrap the bloody thing?