Garda ha sparato alla gamba per la sua stessa pistola fa causa allo stato
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-41636710.html
di siciowa
Garda ha sparato alla gamba per la sua stessa pistola fa causa allo stato
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-41636710.html
di siciowa
29 commenti
Safety catch?
Compoface
“allegations of contributory negligence were made against the garda that he had been the author of his own misfortune. This, counsel said, was distressing for the garda and he could not believe it.”
A corporal in Renmore barracks told me years ago that the sight of Gardai heading for the range with uzis acting like they’re in Miami Vice made him more nervous than anything he’d faced in his military career…
It seems times haven’t changed.
“I’m so stupid they should have never issued me a gun, so it’s obviously their fault.”
The holsters used at the time of the incident have since been replaced given a fault in their design lead to the firearm discharging whilst holstered.
The Garda management knew it was faulty and did nothing.
I hope he gets an absolute packet, though doubt it’ll impact any changes at the senior levels.
Any gun user knows the first rule of gun safety is always point the gun in a safe direction, and even then the second rule is keep the gun unloaded until necessary. Absolute eejit who should never be let near a gun again
This is a classic ND imo. Why was he driving with a weapon ready to fire? If he had no safe place to store the weapon while driving he should have had the chamber empty and/ or magazine out.
The claim says that both the safety and trigger caught on the body armour and caused a negligent discharge. The Gardaí have apparently agreed with this explanation of events, so as unlikely as it sounds, fair enough.
My more pressing question is twofold;
1. Why was a Guard on patrol, not actively responding to a callout, carrying a weapon with a round chambered?
2. Why, in the name of God, did the Guard driving the vehicle have a weapon slung across his chest, as opposed to secured in the vehicle in a safe manner?
His body armour managed to not only move the safety but also the trigger. Hard to believe that both happened. Even if true – why was there a round in the chamber? Is this standard operating procedure?
Last week I let my daughter put milk in her coco pops herself. She never did it before but she helped me carry it in a few times so I knew she was strong enough. I told her to be careful and she said she would. Everybody happy out.
She spilled the full 2 litres all over the table, clothes destroyed, cereal everywhere, bawling crying and no milk for a cup of tea. My wife blamed me for it.
This is the Garda version of that.
>The garda told the judge he did everything in accordance with procedures in relation to the handling of his firearm,
Unless the state can show that the actions of this garda were not in line with procedures then they will have to pay out.
If someone is following procedures set out by their employer, and get hurt, then the employer is at fault. It’s that simple.
Looking for that sweet retirement package.
OK.
Even if his safety was accidentally knocked off…what was he doing with his finger on the trigger?
SOP is trigger finger on the side of the weapon above the trigger guard.
The trigger finger is only to be placed on the trigger when a potential threat is evident and identified as a bonafide target.
This guy should be laughed out of court. But nope. Typical Ireland. “Everybody’s fault but mine, and I’ll just ride the system to get early retirement with full pension and a big fat pay off that the taxpayer can pick up the tab on.”
Still, at least he wasn’t fighting with another drunk Gardai outside a pub whilst on duty and pulled his service pistol.
This is just another reason why Gardai should not have firearms.
When i was in the defence forces we were told not to rely on the safety being on. Always treat the weapon like it’s hot. He has no reason to have a round loaded anyway. Absolute stupidity. Especially in a confined space.
Not pointing a gun at something you aren’t prepared to shoot is a pretty basic firearm safety rule, let alone driving around with a chambered round
Chewbacca defence…
This is a form of scam on the public purse in my view. Thick as mince cop shoots himself through his own stupidity and failure to adhere to safety protocols that most private gun owners willingly abide by. Claims against the State. Big payout. No accountability. No discipline. No adverse consequences. Rinse and repeat as often as needed.
“**B**oth the safety and trigger caught on the body armour”?
Seriously? I can see now why most of them aren’t armed.
It’s interesting that the government side of this has now accepted there was no negligence or contributing misbehaviour from the guard but every other person on here can state as fact it’s his own fault and he’s just looking for an easy payout.
For many years I joked that we do not have armed police because we couldn’t afford the cost of foot injuries.
To everyone saying things like
“Why was there a round in the chamber”
Or
“Do they not teach these guys firearms safety before handing them out?”
Firstly, read the article for context: “he had in July 2019 been on patrol with colleagues in an area where there had been serious incidents, including shootings.”
I.e. this is an area that gardai on patrol may have to react very very quickly. Imagine the outcry if a garda lost vital fractions of a second manipulating his weapon to charge it in the confined space of a car / exiting the car? With the weapon charged he just needs to bring it on target, flip the safety & discharge. Could even do this from within the vehicle if circumstances required it. Carrying a weapon “locked and loaded” AKA condition one is not considered “at risk of negligent discharge” that is condition zero. I.e fully loaded, chambered & safety off.
Secondly: firearms safety for gardai is not the same as it is for you taking a Mickey Mouse course to get your firearms licence, or the 15 minutes you got on your holidays in Vegas at the range or clay pigeon shooting at a stag in Leitrim. These use cases are about making the ability to discharge a weapon about as difficult as possible at all times as the outcome of delaying the ability when wanted means nothing in the grand scheme of things. However a gard in certain circumstances will absolutely need to be able to discharged their weapon with minimal delay in order to preserve life, so a balance needs to be made between absolute safety & readiness
Who knew we had so many gun experts on r/ireland
Cheddar Bob.
Desk pop gone wrong??
Guns don’t shoot people, gardaí do
Years ago, after the 1973 helicopter escape from Mountjoy, the Air Corps realised that its helicopter crews were very vulnerable to hijack by the IRA.
They wisely decided that they should be armed to prevent such an embarrassment…initially they had the crews carry the standard Army BAP 9mm but it was bulky and awkward to wear along with their harnesses and life jackets etc so they finally relented and decided to buy them some shiny new Walther PPK’s (yes- the James Bond handgun)
But Walther products were fine German craftsmanship with prices to match, so some bean counter in the government decided we didn’t really need to buy the matching holsters and they could carry them in their pockets!
(…you can see where this is going can’t you??)
Until one day a pilot, leaving the barracks in his car realised when he got to the gate that he’d forgotten to sign his gun back in, went to remove it from the pocket of his flares and accidentally shot himself through the leg.
Shortly afterwards we bought the matching holsters.
He was in the car, turned around to check something in the back seat, and it snagged and went off.
By the sounds of it, he wasn’t in a position where it was required to be gun ready, safety was not on when it should have, and it discharged due to poor handling.