What do they expect? Every country can notify *one* language. Guess which one Spain has already notified … it is of course *Castilian*.
If they want to have an additional official EU language – which would incur a lot of extra costs and administrative overhead – then they would have to pay for it.
But I reckon what will put off most other countries is that if they start with this, then all their language minorities will demand the same treatment, and *that* is going to be really expensive!
Goldenrah on
>”This is not a matter of translating more or less documents, it is a matter of respecting the identity of European citizens,” Catalonia President **Salvador Illa** told Euronews in February during an official visit to Brussels.
>”This is not, let’s say, a political issue, or a political demand. I would put it from another angle. This is a fair measure from a linguistic point of view. There are 20 million citizens who speak these official languages.”
Those same citizens are already served by the fact all those documents are already translated to Castillian Spanish, which is the official language in common to all Spanish regions. The only reason to go forward with this is if there’s an expectation of those regions becoming independent, setting the groundwork for them to continue being EU members.
LurkingWeirdo88 on
What next? Sardinian?
SadSherbert2759 on
About four million people speak Catalan in Spain, but the language is not recognized as official.
But interesting… if Andorra (with a population of 80,000) were to join the EU, would Catalan become an official EU language?
Sennksa on
Not sure what is the issue with it considering:
* Spain offered to pay for any additional costs that come with it.
* More people in Europe speak Catalan than certain official languages such as: Finnish, Irish, Bulgarian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Estonian….. (11 official EU languages)
* Linguistic diversity is enshrined on the EU charter of fundamental rights.
Also, why does the EU need unanimity for something like official languages? This feels like another part of the EU that should be resolved with a majority vote instead of unanimity.
aguidom on
Before anyone else comments. As a Spanish Basque, I can testify that no Spaniards has been consulted on this position, nor if we want to take the burden of having to pay for translation of these three oficial languages, this has been purely decided between the Spanish government and the Catalan populist, right-leaning, anti-immigration party so that they “maybe” support Pedro Sánchez in approving this years’ state budget, which is way overdue.
It also wasn’t in the ruling party’s electoral program.
This is just another bet by our President to try and continue ruling even though he has a minority government and clearly lacks the support to pass any meaningful laws and holds the country in gridlock.
AnotherIjonTichy on
Mai proposol is that EU shud yus a konstrukted langgwij for all its biznes, let’s say Toki Pona or a betr RegEng as its only “ofishal” langgwij. That wil put all of the europeans on the same starting lain, without privilejd kuntris. This mesij has been translatid to RegEng by ChatGPT, mai european bruthers.
Imperaux on
muh identity
AntonioClaus on
This is only fair since Catalan has more speakers than Maltese, Latvian, Estonian and Lithuanian combined.
Leptictidium87 on
To everyone who comes here to say something like “this will open the floodgates” or “every minority will want their language on that list”: I’m begging you, please do yourself the favour of spending 5 minutes reading up on the actual proposal before you grace Reddit with your hot take. Who knows, you might even find out that it lays down out a very clear set of criteria to avoid precisely that scenario.
Independent-Gur9951 on
If spain pays what’s the problem?
gerard4422 on
Irish is an official EU language Catalan should be also.
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So everything as planned, right?
What do they expect? Every country can notify *one* language. Guess which one Spain has already notified … it is of course *Castilian*.
If they want to have an additional official EU language – which would incur a lot of extra costs and administrative overhead – then they would have to pay for it.
But I reckon what will put off most other countries is that if they start with this, then all their language minorities will demand the same treatment, and *that* is going to be really expensive!
>”This is not a matter of translating more or less documents, it is a matter of respecting the identity of European citizens,” Catalonia President **Salvador Illa** told Euronews in February during an official visit to Brussels.
>”This is not, let’s say, a political issue, or a political demand. I would put it from another angle. This is a fair measure from a linguistic point of view. There are 20 million citizens who speak these official languages.”
Those same citizens are already served by the fact all those documents are already translated to Castillian Spanish, which is the official language in common to all Spanish regions. The only reason to go forward with this is if there’s an expectation of those regions becoming independent, setting the groundwork for them to continue being EU members.
What next? Sardinian?
About four million people speak Catalan in Spain, but the language is not recognized as official.
But interesting… if Andorra (with a population of 80,000) were to join the EU, would Catalan become an official EU language?
Not sure what is the issue with it considering:
* Spain offered to pay for any additional costs that come with it.
* More people in Europe speak Catalan than certain official languages such as: Finnish, Irish, Bulgarian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Estonian….. (11 official EU languages)
* Linguistic diversity is enshrined on the EU charter of fundamental rights.
Also, why does the EU need unanimity for something like official languages? This feels like another part of the EU that should be resolved with a majority vote instead of unanimity.
Before anyone else comments. As a Spanish Basque, I can testify that no Spaniards has been consulted on this position, nor if we want to take the burden of having to pay for translation of these three oficial languages, this has been purely decided between the Spanish government and the Catalan populist, right-leaning, anti-immigration party so that they “maybe” support Pedro Sánchez in approving this years’ state budget, which is way overdue.
It also wasn’t in the ruling party’s electoral program.
This is just another bet by our President to try and continue ruling even though he has a minority government and clearly lacks the support to pass any meaningful laws and holds the country in gridlock.
Mai proposol is that EU shud yus a konstrukted langgwij for all its biznes, let’s say Toki Pona or a betr RegEng as its only “ofishal” langgwij. That wil put all of the europeans on the same starting lain, without privilejd kuntris. This mesij has been translatid to RegEng by ChatGPT, mai european bruthers.
muh identity
This is only fair since Catalan has more speakers than Maltese, Latvian, Estonian and Lithuanian combined.
To everyone who comes here to say something like “this will open the floodgates” or “every minority will want their language on that list”: I’m begging you, please do yourself the favour of spending 5 minutes reading up on the actual proposal before you grace Reddit with your hot take. Who knows, you might even find out that it lays down out a very clear set of criteria to avoid precisely that scenario.
If spain pays what’s the problem?
Irish is an official EU language Catalan should be also.