Corano che brucia l’accusa in effetti “reintroduce la legge sulla blasfemia”
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/quran-burning-prosecution-in-effect-reintroduces-blasphemy-law-3p0dshcf6
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Corano che brucia l’accusa in effetti “reintroduce la legge sulla blasfemia”
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/quran-burning-prosecution-in-effect-reintroduces-blasphemy-law-3p0dshcf6
di insomnimax_99
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Seems reasonable to put this to a jury.
This isn’t about blasphemy, and in any case freedom of speech has never been absolute.
It’s a fine line between voicing criticism of something (which is absolutely valid) and doing something which is likely to cause grave offence or incite public disorder (which isn’t fine). That applies whether to religion or otherwise.
Let a jury hear the evidence and decide which side of the line this was on.
so lets wait until the judgement before spinning a bullshit rhetoric?
Interesting to see the argument that a law passed in 1986 is somehow reintroducing blasphemy laws…
Also fun to see some good, old-fashioned court reporting – looks like a journalist actually turned up to court and made notes on what the lawyers said. Although they don’t add much to the article beyond that – it is basically just selected quotes from the lawyers, with a bias in favour of the defence by including their quote in the headline.
One really picky thing:
> Blasphemy laws were abolished in England and Wales in 2008 and in Scotland in 2021.
The were repealed in Scotland in 2024, although understandable that someone might think it happened in 2021.
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To add some context, s5 Public Order Act is pretty broad, and generally used (and abused) against people “causing trouble” in public spaces. It is notable enough [to get its own Wikipedia page](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_5_of_the_Public_Order_Act_1986). There is no requirement for that base offence that anything religious be involved.
It is hard to get exact statistics, but from what I can tell there are thousands (maybe tens of thousands) of these crimes recorded each year by the police.
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“it ain’t what you do, its the way that you do it”. Behaviour that is perfectly legal in some contexts may become illegal in different circumstances. Sexual intercourse is not fundamentally illegal – but if you are copulating in front of a primary school playground full of children it is clearly illegal. Ultimately, the courts have to decide whether or not behaviour specifically intended to provoke outrage and anger in others has crossed the boundaries of legality.
If you want to burn a Quran in the privacy of your own home, do it.
If you want to criticise Islam in public, do it.
But what does publicly burning a Quran do except offend people? It’s not like it’s some valid criticism or a gotcha moment. It adds nothing to the works except offence.
Edit ; and to downvoters. Answer the question. Why do you want to burn a Quran in public and offend peaceful followers of Islam? What are you aiming to achieve?
Edit 2 : I love that the answers are basically “I just wanna offend people” – what lovely people
The day I can’t burn a flag or religious book or even any book, is the day democracy dies.
Perhaps I’m just old and grumpy but IMO our laws are utter nonsense. You shouldn’t be entitled to not be offended and burning a book which is your own property if done relatively safely with no damage should not be illegal.
It’s not called Qur’an burning though is it, if this is talking about the Swedish and Danish laws it’s for any religious text.
It’s just that some people are extremely determined to exercise their concept of freedom of speech by solely focusing on burning copies of the Qur’an because they want a counter reaction.
Which I think is insane
Muslims do actually dispose of old or worn out copies of the Qur’an through burning or other specified methods but it’s done with respect and the intent is taken into account. It not a exhibitionistic display designed to incite
What freeze peach people are wanting to do is make it a political, and inciting act which I think is probably on par with the ceremonial book burnings in Germany in the 1930s.
There are plenty of ways to freely criticise any religious faith in this united kingdom. There are a huge amount of books and speeches you can find that are freely critical of the faiths you dislike. You don’t need to burn their holy texts to show you disapprove of it.
I do not think any holy text should be burned even in the case of that Holy text being critical of other Holy texts.
Because someone always comes up with the what if I write something and choose to call it holy. I’d say fine then you need more than 1 people to believe in it and your book is protected from being burnt by others as a political or inciting act
Utter bollocks. The public order act has been in place for decades. It was amended to make it an aggravated offence if the perpetrator did so racial, religious or sexual preference grounds. This is about shit-stirring
Does that mean we live in a military dictatorship because people were arrested and fined for burning Poppies?
Thank god I don’t live in a religious society… oh wait….
It’s all about context with ALL of this stuff….
If you a buy a copy of the Quran and burn it in the comfort of your own home you won’t get arrested – you’ll just be a bit of a silly twat.
If you a buy a copy of the Quran and burn it in public trying to get attention then you are still a silly twat, you’re just now a silly twat who is trying to stir up trouble.
You don’t get arrested for the ‘silly twat’ part.