I luoghi francesi sono in acqua calda per vietare i bambini. È solo un lusso o una necessità?
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/may/31/is-french-hotels-ability-ban-kids-luxury-necessity
di diacewrb
I luoghi francesi sono in acqua calda per vietare i bambini. È solo un lusso o una necessità?
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/may/31/is-french-hotels-ability-ban-kids-luxury-necessity
di diacewrb
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A necessity
As long as people continue to say things like “You can’t say/do/look-like that, think of the kids” then adult-only spaces are required. If you don’t want adult-only spaces then you also have to accept that kids will be exposed to adult topics. You can’t have it both ways.
I’m sorry what? Excluding kids from a restaurant is considered “violence against children”??
What in the actual fuck is going on over there.
As a parent there are absolutely times when I don’t want to be around kids, but do want to eat at a restaurant or go to a hotel pool without kids screaming.
They do this in the states also. It’s really nice and I’m a parent. But having adults only is relaxing. Even if you don’t have your kids you are still watching for safety for them out of habit. Hell even childless people do it also.
Necessary to have adults only reserved spaces
It’s a luxury. But why would they get in trouble 🤣 just don’t take your crotch goblins there. Easy. Ppl making a big deal about this are the same people who have no control over their kids and want to ruin other people’s kid free good times.. you had that kid, not me.
Definitely a necessity.
Maybe I’m old fashioned but banning kids from brothels, pubs and nightclubs is a good idea.
Adults should be allowed to have adult only spaces. It’s absolutely ridiculous that people think venues shouldn’t be allowed to be adults only.
I like adult only spaces (have no kids) and even have friends who also love adult only spaces AND have kids.
When they get a chance to go out and enjoy themselves, it really ruins their evening to be in a situation where they are paying for someone to babysit their kid while they are at dinner and being interrupted by someone else’s child.
This is ridiculous. Much like I’m not allowed into children’s summer camps, clubs, after school activities, some theme parks, etc., why shouldn’t adults be allowed to have hotels and restaurants that cater to them so they can relax, away from other people’s children?
People bringing up “community” are forgetting that these places are nothing more than a holiday luxury, and thus allowed to cater to whichever clientele they choose to; 90% of hotels and restaurants are always going to be for everybody so for this to be contested in the first place is stupid.
“As someone who has worked in the hospitality industry since the 1980s, he says most of the problems he has faced with children were caused by parents who were unwilling or, more frequently, incapable of controlling their offspring when they misbehaved.”
As a parent I found this quote from one of the testimonials from the article to really sum up the core of the issue. In my experience, nine times out of ten, children that cause problems in restaurants or hotels really aren’t the issue. Instead their parents are unable or unwilling to intervene. In this case I believe the owners have every right to show rowdy people the door and ask them to leave, whether they be adults or children/families.
Generally I love traveling to France with my two small children. When I compare France to Germany, the country where I live, it’s like night and day. In France children in restaurants or other public spaces are generally considered normal. Many places seem genuinely welcoming to families and go out of their way to make things as easy as possible for families. Therefore, from my personal experience, this looks like a non issue that only concerns a few restaurants and hotels in the first place.
A necessity, what a childish question.
If you allow children everywhere, then everyplace will have to be child-friendly.
Which means no red-light districts, no prostitution, no bars, no gambling, etc, etc, etc.
The fact is that most of the world is not “kid friendly”, not should it be forced to be so.
*“She told the French international radio station RFI that the move would address the “no kids trend”, which amounted to “violence against children”, adding: “A child shouts, laughs and moves … we are institutionalising the idea that silence is a luxury and the absence of children is a luxury.”*
Lmfao. It’s like a reddit mod was placed in a position of governance. This is a bad faith argument.
Having kids is a choice. Bringing them out to dinner, vacation, etc, is a luxery and a choice. And while others can share in that luxery, they’re not sharing that choice.
If you don’t want to pay for a babysitter, and you want to make memories with your kids in these places, and have the financial means to do so, there are a lot of places worldwide that will cater to it.
And vice versa is also available, no kids. Just adults. Not having to “think of the children,” when you’re just out and about trying to enjoy your time. Playing whatever music you want, without concern for kids, is a luxury people have the right to pay for.
Imagine taking your kids to Vegas on a “family” trip and then going to the place where people do nothing but party. They will be exposed to it, and it’s your job as a parent to ensure you let your kids know what’s what, not the business, or others, it’s the parents.
Opposite side, imagine going to Ibiza, orange beach club w nobody but adults and demand you let your kids come along into the venue where everybody’s doing nothing but parting.
The liability is taken on by the business, and when it comes to business, the rights to refuse and set policy is their own. Unless the country has actual laws addressing these things, this whole debate is so blown out of proportion. Fuck the kids. Be better parents.
Even a Disney cruise has adult only areas. Respite fir the parents.
As long as we have to work as much as we do and have so little free time to recharge, adult-only places are a necessity imo. Especially for people who get stressed out by loud noises.
I don’t want to be “anti children“, but I do get annoyed when I want to relax after a long and tedious work week, and there are children playing loudly, shouting and screaming nearby. It’s totally not their fault, and I wouldn’t want to actually complain about it, but I find myself wanting to go to a child-free space.
Well done, frenchies.
I want peace and quiet. Not kids running around and being loud
This is not because of French children or parents…
Why is this even a debate?
My chicken should be allowed in the restaurant even if it leaves bird droppings everywhere, pecks the other people and caws loudly before the punch-line from someone telling a joke, at the other table!
Only laws and horses in modern times.
I read the comments and remember this:
[Idiocracy](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy)
[Idiocracy](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/)
Read so many absurd reasoning or comparing that this came immediately to my mind.
I have 2 kids and when I go on vacation with just my wife i don’t want yo be around kids, especially ones that aren’t my own.
I honestly don’t see the problem in banning kids from your premises. Especially if it’s somewhere high scale.
Parents these days (or maybe always) are often very bad at keeping kids seated or keeping them from screaming.
If I go to an expensive restaurant I don’t want kids running around.
If I go to a spa, I don’t want kids screaming and jumping in the water like it’s a water park, I want to relax.
There are plenty of places that cater to kids and those places are also often where kids would rather go.
Near Klagenfurt Austria there are lakeside resorts that both cater to families and people without children. There were plenty to pick from. I don’t see what the issue is.
And the we’re wondering why we are not making kids anymore
> “She told the French international radio station RFI that the move would address the “no kids trend”, which amounted to “violence against children”, adding: “A child shouts, laughs and moves … we are institutionalising the idea that silence is a luxury and the absence of children is a luxury.”
This is such a deliberately bad faith argument.
There are three key things here
Firstly, the notion that an adult only venue or scene is equivalent to “violence against children” is the stupidest fucking thing I’ve ever heard. It’s like someone saying “excluding random adults from child-only venues, such as after school clubs, is violence against adults”. Everyone with a functioning brain would look at you like you need professional help.
Secondly, there are many people who can’t stand children and find them unbelievably annoying. Why should we not have the right to a tiny pocket of society where we can sit down and relax without some fucking kid screaming in our ears?
Thirdly, it is not about institutionalising or enforcing silent – as much as I love silence – but rather that children, even when just having fun, can be a lot of hard work, even for those who have nothing to do with the child. Children playing are often loud and there is nothing wrong with that, it’s just kids being kids… and while they are being kids, I’d like to be somewhere nice and quiet. That way, we both get what we want. Where’s the harm in that?
People need to stop calling every private exclusion a ban.
Only the government can ban.
A publisher who denies a book is not banning the book. Ventures that won’t invite children are not banning children. Rejection is not the same as banning.
People being unable to understand not everyone is into hearing and dealing with theirs or in general kids, is beyond me.
There was and will be a need for places where people like me can hang out and you – and by you I mean those who can’t comprehand that we need to rest and chill in peace – have to accept it.
Fuck kids (Not like that ya Catholic priests), they’re loud and annoying I’m glad there are spaces that exclude them.
“There is a popular saying in France about children: Les enfants doivent être vus, et non entendus, which means children should be seen, not heard.”
Lol. I heard that as a child in the U.S. it isn’t a strictly French idea.