They should be restricted by law in what they do, with criminal charges of they go outside that. Renaming them doesn’t fix the issues with them being used as cheap replacements for doctors and in doing so leading to excess deaths and complications.
smegabass on
This was a stupid thing to do in the first place.
The Tories were told repeatedly and loudly that this would happen. The pay scale of PA was also disruptive.
Confusion was the plan to ease PA into doctor roles.
Tories are so brain dead on long term thinking and any term doing the right thing.
Dependent-Library602 on
I cannot understand the purpose of them in the first place. We have doctors and we have nurses, which perform separate, but overlapping, roles. Suitably qualified and experienced nurses can already do lots of jobs that would ordinarily be done by doctors, and I can see an argument for expanding what nurses can do (with plenty of training and real experience). I don’t understand what niche PAs are supposed to fill.
ArtOfTobacco on
Just so the public understands. Doctors are so underpaid in this country their less qualified assistants (currently still named Physician Associates) are paid more than fully qualified Doctors in their first two years of work after having completed 5-6 years of medical school.
andrew0256 on
Surely the easiest way to avoid confusion is for staff to wear a name badge with their job title on it. When seeing the patient they should be required to give their job title and what their role is.
We read and hear a lot from doctors on this subject because they have an axe to grind. We don’t read much from the PAs or hospital management themselves. Where there have been tragedies this must be down to management failings and relationships between people who are supposed to be colleagues as much as individual error.. We read about medical failings by doctors as well so how do PA failings compare?
I did read PAs were going to be regulated like other medical staff. Did this happen?
elhazelenby on
If not a thing already, is there a way of requiring hospitals, GP surgeries etc to inform patients beforehand if they will have such a person at their appointment like when a trainee/student accompanies doctors for mental health? Because I would have no idea of the difference otherwise. I’m autistic and trying to understand the difference between different doctors, clinicans, nurses, etc. Is hard already. I think we have the right to know beforehand and the option to request an actual doctor or nurse, especially for complex issues.
Also agree to harsh punishments when they go out of scope of their role.
unsolicitedPeanutG on
As a non-uk resident, who has first heard this term in the post, I automatically assume physician associate is a synonym for doctor.
I’m very confused as to what a physician associate is, if they are not a doctor. What’s the point?
Are they in training to be a doctor? Are the doctor interns? What do they do?
Sudden-Conclusion931 on
Big step in the right direction if true. The ambiguous title and poorly defined scope were a feature, not a bug. The whole point of them was to blur the lines and make patients think they had been seen by some sort of doctor, when in fact they hadn’t. Ending that flagrantly dishonest and unsafe approach is the first step.
Any-Lingonberry-6641 on
Good. Let’s stop this dangerous experiment on patients and their safety.
TurnLooseTheKitties on
Renaming won’t fix the problem.
I had the displeasure of one of those a couple of years ago to cause such a mess I quit the practice
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They should be restricted by law in what they do, with criminal charges of they go outside that. Renaming them doesn’t fix the issues with them being used as cheap replacements for doctors and in doing so leading to excess deaths and complications.
This was a stupid thing to do in the first place.
The Tories were told repeatedly and loudly that this would happen. The pay scale of PA was also disruptive.
Confusion was the plan to ease PA into doctor roles.
Tories are so brain dead on long term thinking and any term doing the right thing.
I cannot understand the purpose of them in the first place. We have doctors and we have nurses, which perform separate, but overlapping, roles. Suitably qualified and experienced nurses can already do lots of jobs that would ordinarily be done by doctors, and I can see an argument for expanding what nurses can do (with plenty of training and real experience). I don’t understand what niche PAs are supposed to fill.
Just so the public understands. Doctors are so underpaid in this country their less qualified assistants (currently still named Physician Associates) are paid more than fully qualified Doctors in their first two years of work after having completed 5-6 years of medical school.
Surely the easiest way to avoid confusion is for staff to wear a name badge with their job title on it. When seeing the patient they should be required to give their job title and what their role is.
We read and hear a lot from doctors on this subject because they have an axe to grind. We don’t read much from the PAs or hospital management themselves. Where there have been tragedies this must be down to management failings and relationships between people who are supposed to be colleagues as much as individual error.. We read about medical failings by doctors as well so how do PA failings compare?
I did read PAs were going to be regulated like other medical staff. Did this happen?
If not a thing already, is there a way of requiring hospitals, GP surgeries etc to inform patients beforehand if they will have such a person at their appointment like when a trainee/student accompanies doctors for mental health? Because I would have no idea of the difference otherwise. I’m autistic and trying to understand the difference between different doctors, clinicans, nurses, etc. Is hard already. I think we have the right to know beforehand and the option to request an actual doctor or nurse, especially for complex issues.
Also agree to harsh punishments when they go out of scope of their role.
As a non-uk resident, who has first heard this term in the post, I automatically assume physician associate is a synonym for doctor.
I’m very confused as to what a physician associate is, if they are not a doctor. What’s the point?
Are they in training to be a doctor? Are the doctor interns? What do they do?
Big step in the right direction if true. The ambiguous title and poorly defined scope were a feature, not a bug. The whole point of them was to blur the lines and make patients think they had been seen by some sort of doctor, when in fact they hadn’t. Ending that flagrantly dishonest and unsafe approach is the first step.
Good. Let’s stop this dangerous experiment on patients and their safety.
Renaming won’t fix the problem.
I had the displeasure of one of those a couple of years ago to cause such a mess I quit the practice