Heaven forbid people raise concerns about close to 1 million people coming over here per year.
KingSniperX2240 on
Just blatant anti western ideology wrapped up in a guise of non racist doublethink. Victory to the resistance!
Dazzling_Whereas_183 on
Hmm, never knew I was at risk of committing terrorism. Glad the government is working hard!
socratic-meth on
> This encompasses a conviction that “Western culture is under threat from mass migration and a lack of integration by certain ethnic and cultural groups”, staff taking the course are told.
People who believe that western culture is ‘under threat’ from migration generally are racist nutcases. Wanting stricter migration controls is one thing, believing nonsense conspiracy theories about great replacement is a pathway to radicalisation.
Sensitive_Echo5058 on
“Concern about mass migration is a “terrorist ideology” that requires intervention by the Government’s anti-radicalisation Prevent programme, according to official documents.”
This is outrageous. The national mood has been increasingly raising concerns about the exponential rise in immigration over recent years. This is reflected in polls and voting patterns but also transcends political orientation.
If people are going to be demonised for raising legitimate concerns, then I’ve lost all hope for the trajectory this country is heading in.
Such concerns should be listened to not ignored, treated with empathy, not disdain.
Thr0witallmyway on
So Prevent are clearly looking for more funding and need to find more people to call terrorist so they can try for more funding…
OrdoRidiculous on
I guess I’m a terrorist then. Prevent are the extremists.
Ill_Refrigerator_593 on
The headline completely ignores the top line in the image-
“ideologies that advocate discrimination or violence against minority groups”
The violence part is key here.
Quite a surprise for the Telegraph to take a selected line out of context…
xxThelmaAndLouisexx on
If people are literally setting fire to buildings trying to kill immigrants inside then yes that counts as terrorism. It’s hardly a political position that could be described using the word ‘concern’. I’m guessing that is the Telegraph’s horseshit framing.
Huffers1010 on
I would suggest there are better ways to say what seems to be being said here.
I personally have no position on the value of a culture that is associated with any geographical area.
What I think we *can* argue for is that the concept of *post-enlightenment rationalism* is absolutely worth protecting.
I think that fundamentalist religion (any fundamentalist religion) is inevitably at odds with post-enlightenment rationalism. Yes, that means I’ll argue it out with my very, very Anglican relatives, who are so Anglo-Saxon that it’s in the *name of their church*.
I think that’s a position that can be argued-for without engaging any issue of race or geographic origin, and that’s probably what we should be doing.
faultlessdark on
Of course the Telegraph would take one of three potential warning signs of violent nationalistic ideology, present it without context and frame it as “valid concern makes you a terrorist according to the left, vote Reform”.
Already every other comment here has fallen for it and reads like they’re turning pink.
belterblaster on
And people jumped on me a few days back when I said they were an unreliable narrator.
Weary-Candy8252 on
I already know Farage is going to be the next PM, you don’t have to remind me!
travelcallcharlie on
“Prevent’s official “refresher awareness” course, hosted on gov.uk, states that “cultural nationalism” is one of the most common “sub-categories of extreme Right-wing terrorist ideologies”, alongside white supremacism and white/ethno-nationalism”
This isn’t wrong though?? It’s just the telegraph being disingenuous.
Astriania on
This is nuts. Whether or not you agree with the political position quoted there, surely anyone who believes in secular western values like freedom of expression and diversity of politics should agree that you should be allowed to express it.
The title is a bit misleading, the actual position in question is
> Cultural nationalism: Western culture is under threat from mass migration and a lack of integration by certain ethnic and cultural groups
… but that is still an entirely legitimate position and absolutely not extremist.
ClockOwn6363 on
So prevent has now become a left wing extremist group. 🤪
It needs closing down.
Woffingshire on
But… the Government are concerned about mass migration…
georgeformby42 on
1-2 years before 9-11 I was a broadcaster, a real one, none of this podcast shite, I was commissioned to do a series of shows about multicultural Australia. Hired me some reliable translators and hit the road for a month visiting various cultures etc. was hard work got 100s of hours of material to take to the edit. One thing that surprised me was the ppl of one faith, they seemed very very arrogant and treated me like some colossal outsider in my own country, the translated told me the most horrible insane things they would say to my face knowing I would not understand, as their community was the largest demo and I had the most mini discs of we had too shelf it, in the meantime I read all their holy books 4-5 times each and multibe translations, I was a tad concerned, then early 2002 we went back, all we got was a race of smug arrogant ppl claiming victory over the pigs.
I thought , hang on we are fucked. Then our pm opened the floodgates to these same ppl who would never integrate..
Lower_Performer_3365 on
It has ‘cultural nationalism’, defined as concern over the impact of non integrated mass immigration, under ‘extreme right wing’, ‘terrorist’ ideology.
So pretty accurate headline I’d say
Jammy50 on
What a suprise the Telegraph is deliberately misrepresenting what someone said for rage bait. Can they please just be banned from this sub?
ace5762 on
That’s not what they said.
As always, the Telegraph are liars.
LongjumpingRest597 on
Oh look another ‘concern’ post! Is everyone in the UK concerned all the time?
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of course prevent would say that.
they got to Prevent the people
Heaven forbid people raise concerns about close to 1 million people coming over here per year.
Just blatant anti western ideology wrapped up in a guise of non racist doublethink. Victory to the resistance!
Hmm, never knew I was at risk of committing terrorism. Glad the government is working hard!
> This encompasses a conviction that “Western culture is under threat from mass migration and a lack of integration by certain ethnic and cultural groups”, staff taking the course are told.
People who believe that western culture is ‘under threat’ from migration generally are racist nutcases. Wanting stricter migration controls is one thing, believing nonsense conspiracy theories about great replacement is a pathway to radicalisation.
“Concern about mass migration is a “terrorist ideology” that requires intervention by the Government’s anti-radicalisation Prevent programme, according to official documents.”
This is outrageous. The national mood has been increasingly raising concerns about the exponential rise in immigration over recent years. This is reflected in polls and voting patterns but also transcends political orientation.
If people are going to be demonised for raising legitimate concerns, then I’ve lost all hope for the trajectory this country is heading in.
Such concerns should be listened to not ignored, treated with empathy, not disdain.
So Prevent are clearly looking for more funding and need to find more people to call terrorist so they can try for more funding…
I guess I’m a terrorist then. Prevent are the extremists.
The headline completely ignores the top line in the image-
“ideologies that advocate discrimination or violence against minority groups”
The violence part is key here.
Quite a surprise for the Telegraph to take a selected line out of context…
If people are literally setting fire to buildings trying to kill immigrants inside then yes that counts as terrorism. It’s hardly a political position that could be described using the word ‘concern’. I’m guessing that is the Telegraph’s horseshit framing.
I would suggest there are better ways to say what seems to be being said here.
I personally have no position on the value of a culture that is associated with any geographical area.
What I think we *can* argue for is that the concept of *post-enlightenment rationalism* is absolutely worth protecting.
I think that fundamentalist religion (any fundamentalist religion) is inevitably at odds with post-enlightenment rationalism. Yes, that means I’ll argue it out with my very, very Anglican relatives, who are so Anglo-Saxon that it’s in the *name of their church*.
I think that’s a position that can be argued-for without engaging any issue of race or geographic origin, and that’s probably what we should be doing.
Of course the Telegraph would take one of three potential warning signs of violent nationalistic ideology, present it without context and frame it as “valid concern makes you a terrorist according to the left, vote Reform”.
Already every other comment here has fallen for it and reads like they’re turning pink.
And people jumped on me a few days back when I said they were an unreliable narrator.
I already know Farage is going to be the next PM, you don’t have to remind me!
“Prevent’s official “refresher awareness” course, hosted on gov.uk, states that “cultural nationalism” is one of the most common “sub-categories of extreme Right-wing terrorist ideologies”, alongside white supremacism and white/ethno-nationalism”
This isn’t wrong though?? It’s just the telegraph being disingenuous.
This is nuts. Whether or not you agree with the political position quoted there, surely anyone who believes in secular western values like freedom of expression and diversity of politics should agree that you should be allowed to express it.
The title is a bit misleading, the actual position in question is
> Cultural nationalism: Western culture is under threat from mass migration and a lack of integration by certain ethnic and cultural groups
… but that is still an entirely legitimate position and absolutely not extremist.
So prevent has now become a left wing extremist group. 🤪
It needs closing down.
But… the Government are concerned about mass migration…
1-2 years before 9-11 I was a broadcaster, a real one, none of this podcast shite, I was commissioned to do a series of shows about multicultural Australia. Hired me some reliable translators and hit the road for a month visiting various cultures etc. was hard work got 100s of hours of material to take to the edit. One thing that surprised me was the ppl of one faith, they seemed very very arrogant and treated me like some colossal outsider in my own country, the translated told me the most horrible insane things they would say to my face knowing I would not understand, as their community was the largest demo and I had the most mini discs of we had too shelf it, in the meantime I read all their holy books 4-5 times each and multibe translations, I was a tad concerned, then early 2002 we went back, all we got was a race of smug arrogant ppl claiming victory over the pigs.
I thought , hang on we are fucked. Then our pm opened the floodgates to these same ppl who would never integrate..
It has ‘cultural nationalism’, defined as concern over the impact of non integrated mass immigration, under ‘extreme right wing’, ‘terrorist’ ideology.
So pretty accurate headline I’d say
What a suprise the Telegraph is deliberately misrepresenting what someone said for rage bait. Can they please just be banned from this sub?
That’s not what they said.
As always, the Telegraph are liars.
Oh look another ‘concern’ post! Is everyone in the UK concerned all the time?