His “blood is halal” now to take the phrase from that Somali NHS worker who was in the news recently.
The number of actual extremists in this country willing to kill and support to the killing of people for such transgressions is overwhelming.
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Probably time we fully confronted extremism in Muslim communities. I can’t imagine a large number of catholics killing someone that said ‘fuck the pope’
The issue here is, to tackle it properly, we need to crack down on some of the core principles of the religion. For instance the phrase Kafir is for all intents and purposes hate speech based on someone’s religion or lack there of.
Then you read koranic quotes on ‘kafir’ and it is clear that this incites hatred, if not violence.
aeon_ace_77 on
I’m an immigrant. I would have thought the first thing an immigrant do as a courtesy to the country that allowed them in is to let go of beliefs that have no place in modern society.
srytytyty on
But we are not allowed to question that, and reddit will suppress any voices of dissent. Because that’s racism. I got called a fasci£££ and a racist just because I question why we allow this extremism. This is the death of the west. Is this really how you want to live your lives?
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Man does highly offensive thing in a very provocative manner and is shocked that people react.
I’m not saying that the people who attacked him were right, they clearly weren’t but let’s not pretend that this guy as 100% an absolute bellend.
Sensitive_Echo5058 on
I feel for him. He’ll possibly never be able to have a good night sleep again, as the threat is very real and perpetual.
Salman Rushdie was stabbed 33 years after the publication of “The Satanic Verses” and a fatwa issued by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini.
Then, there was the Charlie Hebdo shooting in France in 2015 that killed most of its editorial staff.
There was also the case of a teacher at Batley Grammar School in West Yorkshire receiving death threats and was forced into hiding after showing a cartoon of the Mohammed during a religious studies lesson in March 2021.
That brings memories of Samuel Paty, a French secondary school teacher who was beheaded in October 2020 in Éragny, France, for also showing a picture of Mohammed.
It is so exhausting that these issues have become ingrained in the cultural fabric of our Western societies, where our acceptance of intolerance has led to such responses being expected and increasingly normalised.
At the same time, people who raise legitimate concerns peacefully are stereotyped and labelled racists and worse. At what point is a threshold breached, where we acknowledge we have significant problems with an ideology gaining prominence within societal structures and political decision-making, so we can move forward as a society in a constructive way.
I don’t have the answers to how this can be achieved, but I would be advocating for a full debate on the issue, so a peaceful resolution to this issue can be found.
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salkhan on
This derisable Telegraph commentary is meant to whip up anti-Muslim hate, so that they can cover their arms manufacturing deals to Israel. Frankly, there is one genocidal state on this planet, and UK governmenr backs it, along with their US paymasters.
trmetroidmaniac on
This is a predictable outcome of the past 30 years of government policy.
SoftLikeABear on
People who take their imaginary friends so seriously really do need to fuck off back to the dark ages.
Chathin on
Telegraph running another story about Muslims? Must be another day ending in Y.
Theodin_King on
Let’s be frank: extremist Islam is the problem. The government and education authorities in this country need to thoroughly review the curriculum of Islamic religious schools and crack down harder on threats of murder and violence from extremists. Our hate speech laws were supposed to deter this kind of behaviour, but they are often not enforced out of fear of “upsetting minorities” or appearing racist. In reality, there is a valid reason for enforcement when certain beliefs—religious or otherwise—encourage or promote the harming of others. (And I’m excluding the right to free expression here which I think is valid and should be protected).
Old_Course9344 on
He has such a common face/look about him, that I fear anyone seeking to take reprisal will easily confuse innocent members of the public for him.
SuperrVillain85 on
Interesting case is Osman.
Teacher named Paget-Lewis developed an obsession with a pupil, Mehmet Osman, which escalated over the course of a year despite police involvement at several stages. Eventually culminated in P-L stealing a gun and shooting dead the kid’s dad Ali, and injuring the kid.
sirmeliodasdragonsin on
Burning a book should not ever equal any form of violence in return.
People trying to engage in violence should be treated as criminals.
soothysayer on
A couple of aspects about this from the comments that confuse me a bit:
“Why do we allow this?” – well we don’t. Threatening someone’s life, or following up on this are illegal obviously.
“Why do we allow people who think like this in our society” As far as I can gather, this would be akin to legislating against “thought crime” and punishing it accordingly.
(I know 1984 references are wildly overused and most of the time completely misunderstood, apologies!)
How could that work? How could we firstly detect someones beliefs and then how could we criminalise it? Forget the ethics of something like this, how could this even happen from a technical pov?
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So a guy publicly announces that hes going to burn the Quran, burns the Quran to stir up racial hatred and puts himself in danger of extreme minority elements of that religion retaliating.
The guy is an idiot. Still it’s a good excuse for the Telegraph to promote more hate and division and holding a minority of a minority as a monolith to represent them all.
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It is indeed madness to hear this
The concerning part? It was just random people passing by who attacked him. Not some “terrorists”. But random “citizens” who at the first bit of pushback went into a violent frenzy
If you cannot criticize a certain religion, or do a stunt like this without attacks on your life. Then perhaps….it simply is not compatible with the UKs way of life and should not be practiced
Are people allowed to be upset over the burning? Sure. Attacking someone over it? Fuck no
Especially when it comes to making specific rules about not criticizing their religions. That just shows that there is a problem with this religion in our country. They shouldn’t get special exceptions
We, as UK citizens, should have freedom *from* religion where we do not have to partake or bend our wills to those that follow it. We shouldn’t be oppressed by other people’s archaich and barbaric views
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His “blood is halal” now to take the phrase from that Somali NHS worker who was in the news recently.
The number of actual extremists in this country willing to kill and support to the killing of people for such transgressions is overwhelming.
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Probably time we fully confronted extremism in Muslim communities. I can’t imagine a large number of catholics killing someone that said ‘fuck the pope’
The issue here is, to tackle it properly, we need to crack down on some of the core principles of the religion. For instance the phrase Kafir is for all intents and purposes hate speech based on someone’s religion or lack there of.
Then you read koranic quotes on ‘kafir’ and it is clear that this incites hatred, if not violence.
I’m an immigrant. I would have thought the first thing an immigrant do as a courtesy to the country that allowed them in is to let go of beliefs that have no place in modern society.
But we are not allowed to question that, and reddit will suppress any voices of dissent. Because that’s racism. I got called a fasci£££ and a racist just because I question why we allow this extremism. This is the death of the west. Is this really how you want to live your lives?
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Man does highly offensive thing in a very provocative manner and is shocked that people react.
I’m not saying that the people who attacked him were right, they clearly weren’t but let’s not pretend that this guy as 100% an absolute bellend.
I feel for him. He’ll possibly never be able to have a good night sleep again, as the threat is very real and perpetual.
Salman Rushdie was stabbed 33 years after the publication of “The Satanic Verses” and a fatwa issued by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini.
Then, there was the Charlie Hebdo shooting in France in 2015 that killed most of its editorial staff.
There was also the case of a teacher at Batley Grammar School in West Yorkshire receiving death threats and was forced into hiding after showing a cartoon of the Mohammed during a religious studies lesson in March 2021.
That brings memories of Samuel Paty, a French secondary school teacher who was beheaded in October 2020 in Éragny, France, for also showing a picture of Mohammed.
It is so exhausting that these issues have become ingrained in the cultural fabric of our Western societies, where our acceptance of intolerance has led to such responses being expected and increasingly normalised.
At the same time, people who raise legitimate concerns peacefully are stereotyped and labelled racists and worse. At what point is a threshold breached, where we acknowledge we have significant problems with an ideology gaining prominence within societal structures and political decision-making, so we can move forward as a society in a constructive way.
I don’t have the answers to how this can be achieved, but I would be advocating for a full debate on the issue, so a peaceful resolution to this issue can be found.
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This derisable Telegraph commentary is meant to whip up anti-Muslim hate, so that they can cover their arms manufacturing deals to Israel. Frankly, there is one genocidal state on this planet, and UK governmenr backs it, along with their US paymasters.
This is a predictable outcome of the past 30 years of government policy.
People who take their imaginary friends so seriously really do need to fuck off back to the dark ages.
Telegraph running another story about Muslims? Must be another day ending in Y.
Let’s be frank: extremist Islam is the problem. The government and education authorities in this country need to thoroughly review the curriculum of Islamic religious schools and crack down harder on threats of murder and violence from extremists. Our hate speech laws were supposed to deter this kind of behaviour, but they are often not enforced out of fear of “upsetting minorities” or appearing racist. In reality, there is a valid reason for enforcement when certain beliefs—religious or otherwise—encourage or promote the harming of others. (And I’m excluding the right to free expression here which I think is valid and should be protected).
He has such a common face/look about him, that I fear anyone seeking to take reprisal will easily confuse innocent members of the public for him.
Interesting case is Osman.
Teacher named Paget-Lewis developed an obsession with a pupil, Mehmet Osman, which escalated over the course of a year despite police involvement at several stages. Eventually culminated in P-L stealing a gun and shooting dead the kid’s dad Ali, and injuring the kid.
Burning a book should not ever equal any form of violence in return.
People trying to engage in violence should be treated as criminals.
A couple of aspects about this from the comments that confuse me a bit:
“Why do we allow this?” – well we don’t. Threatening someone’s life, or following up on this are illegal obviously.
“Why do we allow people who think like this in our society” As far as I can gather, this would be akin to legislating against “thought crime” and punishing it accordingly.
(I know 1984 references are wildly overused and most of the time completely misunderstood, apologies!)
How could that work? How could we firstly detect someones beliefs and then how could we criminalise it? Forget the ethics of something like this, how could this even happen from a technical pov?
So a guy publicly announces that hes going to burn the Quran, burns the Quran to stir up racial hatred and puts himself in danger of extreme minority elements of that religion retaliating.
The guy is an idiot. Still it’s a good excuse for the Telegraph to promote more hate and division and holding a minority of a minority as a monolith to represent them all.
It is indeed madness to hear this
The concerning part? It was just random people passing by who attacked him. Not some “terrorists”. But random “citizens” who at the first bit of pushback went into a violent frenzy
If you cannot criticize a certain religion, or do a stunt like this without attacks on your life. Then perhaps….it simply is not compatible with the UKs way of life and should not be practiced
Are people allowed to be upset over the burning? Sure. Attacking someone over it? Fuck no
Especially when it comes to making specific rules about not criticizing their religions. That just shows that there is a problem with this religion in our country. They shouldn’t get special exceptions
We, as UK citizens, should have freedom *from* religion where we do not have to partake or bend our wills to those that follow it. We shouldn’t be oppressed by other people’s archaich and barbaric views