This was made possible by their transit via third countries, mainly Turkey. For example, in 2023, the manufacturer Tornos, based in Moutier, delivered two machines to a Turkish importer, which was only a shell company. The machines were quickly shipped to Russia.
Suspicious_Place1270 on
And all my Swiss colleagues and friends want to stay “neutral” and not help any side.
I would have really liked if Switzerland was helping Ukraine, but this is just pure stupidity.
The company is just trying to cover their ass-essment. No guilt felt from their side, but we all know they knew what they were doing.
I love it that SRF is uncovering that stuff pretty well. They are some of the least biased media in Switzerland.
SwissArmyKeif on
> When contacted, the Schaffhausen manufacturer claims to have delivered them before 2018, well before the invasion of Ukraine.
2018 is 4 years after the invasion of Ukraine.
Stiller_Winter on
Nearly the whole Europe (with a couple of small exceptions) is doing this. Indirectly with LPG or directly with the export over 3rd countries. Robin Brooks was trying to get some attention, showing the European export volumes to Kyrgyzstan and similar countries. With no success for some very mysterious reason.
Hekke1969 on
Swiss always on the wrong side of history
Ancient-Aerie-1680 on
Daily reminder that “neutrality” and “pacifism” is just a more palatable way of enabling fascism and imperialism.
biggesthumb on
Well they wouldnt let anyone sell/give ammo etcetc they made to ukraine so…. this tracks
Hakurn on
Neutral until one side starts paying more. How many times have the history repeated itself?
funtex666 on
Most EU countries trade (often military hardware) with Israel. That’s not better. Typical politics.
Antique_Tale_2084 on
I am disappointed and angered by the Swiss approach to publicly saying that they are neutral yet privately supporting Russia invade Ukraine.
Neutrality is really piss weak and it may have been acceptable during the 1930s and 1940s in Suisse people getting rich from supporting Nazis through banking and thefts but it doesn’t cut it now.
Ukraine have a right to their sovereignty and your leaders are not making decisions based on reality.
Do you support war crimes, children being kidnapped and the killing of innocent civilians and the destruction of ancient cities?
How would Suisse people feel if their territory was being ravaged and its neighbours stayed neutral?
Cool_Stock_9731 on
I hope that they get called out for this and that Swiss companies selling to Russia get sanctioned to high heavens
They can’t claim to be neutral and then side with the enemy, it’s one or the other.
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DrDesmond on
classic rage bait – read the article people – those machines have been delivered well before the war.
BarskiPatzow on
Switzerland being neutral helping Russia while neutral Serbia selling stuff to Ukraine is the wildest plot twist.
groenheit on
Neutral! As long as money can be made with both sides, Switzerland is happy.
DisastrousDemand1001 on
big surprise – the country known for being the epicenter of dirty money is involved in shady deals with russia.
there’s a reason switzerland is neutral. it’s been agreed as such by all parties involved throughout recent history, in order for them to be able to move their money, keep their fortunes and so on. that’s why it’s been allowed to remain neutral. it’s how all criminals, dictators and such move their wealth about.
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This was made possible by their transit via third countries, mainly Turkey. For example, in 2023, the manufacturer Tornos, based in Moutier, delivered two machines to a Turkish importer, which was only a shell company. The machines were quickly shipped to Russia.
And all my Swiss colleagues and friends want to stay “neutral” and not help any side.
I would have really liked if Switzerland was helping Ukraine, but this is just pure stupidity.
The company is just trying to cover their ass-essment. No guilt felt from their side, but we all know they knew what they were doing.
I love it that SRF is uncovering that stuff pretty well. They are some of the least biased media in Switzerland.
> When contacted, the Schaffhausen manufacturer claims to have delivered them before 2018, well before the invasion of Ukraine.
2018 is 4 years after the invasion of Ukraine.
Nearly the whole Europe (with a couple of small exceptions) is doing this. Indirectly with LPG or directly with the export over 3rd countries. Robin Brooks was trying to get some attention, showing the European export volumes to Kyrgyzstan and similar countries. With no success for some very mysterious reason.
Swiss always on the wrong side of history
Daily reminder that “neutrality” and “pacifism” is just a more palatable way of enabling fascism and imperialism.
Well they wouldnt let anyone sell/give ammo etcetc they made to ukraine so…. this tracks
Neutral until one side starts paying more. How many times have the history repeated itself?
Most EU countries trade (often military hardware) with Israel. That’s not better. Typical politics.
I am disappointed and angered by the Swiss approach to publicly saying that they are neutral yet privately supporting Russia invade Ukraine.
Neutrality is really piss weak and it may have been acceptable during the 1930s and 1940s in Suisse people getting rich from supporting Nazis through banking and thefts but it doesn’t cut it now.
Ukraine have a right to their sovereignty and your leaders are not making decisions based on reality.
Do you support war crimes, children being kidnapped and the killing of innocent civilians and the destruction of ancient cities?
How would Suisse people feel if their territory was being ravaged and its neighbours stayed neutral?
I hope that they get called out for this and that Swiss companies selling to Russia get sanctioned to high heavens
They can’t claim to be neutral and then side with the enemy, it’s one or the other.
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classic rage bait – read the article people – those machines have been delivered well before the war.
Switzerland being neutral helping Russia while neutral Serbia selling stuff to Ukraine is the wildest plot twist.
Neutral! As long as money can be made with both sides, Switzerland is happy.
big surprise – the country known for being the epicenter of dirty money is involved in shady deals with russia.
there’s a reason switzerland is neutral. it’s been agreed as such by all parties involved throughout recent history, in order for them to be able to move their money, keep their fortunes and so on. that’s why it’s been allowed to remain neutral. it’s how all criminals, dictators and such move their wealth about.
switzerland and more recently austria.
*Neutrality favours the aggressor.*