Coz they do, ok. Now stop asking questions and go and get a job
harmlessdonkey on
Because all the evidence is that they make things worse. Of course it’s an emotive topic and can seem easy to criticise and the media will do no favours finding sad cases to highlight without explaining the economic logic of removing them.
MrWhiteside97 on
I don’t really have much of an opinion on loosening restrictions for new builds. I think allowing landlords to reset rents in between tenancies is a bonkers decision that no impartial body has recommended and that I genuinely think will have no beneficial outcomes for anyone other than landlords.
davesr25 on
More rent, more money, more profit.
Sanfo212 on
Because most of them are landlords or investors in property.
GDPR_Guru8691 on
It’s because they hate their own citizens, they want everyone to pay 2-3k per month in rent to faceless REIT’s so they can claim to get building moving again or some other lies they continually push.
Bill_Badbody on
It’s because the want private apartments to be built.
Because they know the state can never delivery all the apartments needed, and many people will never qualify for a council house.
Last year every apartment development started was state funded through one scheme or another.
whereohwhereohwhere on
>The report stated that the regulatory framework has become “more and more complicated for landlords”
Boo fucking hoo. Landlords want rental properties to be entirely passive investments that they don’t have to do any work for, ever. It’s pathetic.
ulankford on
When they were introduced, many correctly stated that housing investment would dry up, making the housing situation worse in the long run. Six years later, those people were proven correct. Its easy to say they are pro landlord etc.. but ultimately they want to incentivise international investment back to Ireland to build apartments and homes. The state cannot fund it all.
RemnantOfSpotOn on
Because they are all landlords or have brown envelope landlord pals or both
vandalhandle on
Cause a decent percentage of the Dail are landlords.
And all the “all the evidence says rent caps are bad” commenters should also be on board with pushing for BUI cause all the evidence is that leads to nothing but positive results.
MarramTime on
The economics of building new homes in Ireland are not working so we are building far too few. The problems are multi-faceted, but one of the big issues is that too little money is being invested because for a whole load of reasons it is not economically attractive. Ideally, the solution lies in getting funding working for a mix of private build-to-own, private build-to-let, public build-to-let and some public build-to-own. None of these funding pillars work well right now, and we really need to get them all working in concert if we are going to resolve our housing shortages. That means that, like it or not, among many other issues we have to fix the economics of private build-to-let.
The economics of private build-to-let are problematic right now. One of the big issues is that the current scheme under which rental caps increase by the lesser of inflation or 2% will cause the real value of rent on a property to fall over time, while the real cost of maintaining it will increase (because services inflation is generally higher than total inflation). Coupled with the real possibility that a future government will hit rental returns harder, this means that even the objectively high rents we see now will not provide sufficient expectations of returns to drive the levels of private build-to-let construction that we need to see.
Realistically, over the long run we should probably expect to see rents increase roughly in proportion to incomes, which over the long run will average a little ahead of inflation. If rents run ahead of that, rentiers will be coining it. If investors expect that rents will run far behind that, expected returns on investment will be insufficient to attract adequate market funding to private build-to-let and we will perpetuate the shortage.
commit10 on
This would be a disaster for my town. The RPZ is the only reason most service workers can still live there at all, and it’s a town that’s heavily reliant on tourism. There’s already a serious shortage of workers and that would tip it over the edge.
Besides that, I think that rent increases should be capped in general. It’s beyond stupidity to see accommodation costs doubling in a short period of time. Without a cap, landlords are just going to take everything they can as individuals without any concern for wider consequences– that’s human nature.
SubstantialAttempt83 on
Suppose unless the government were going to cap the expenses related to providing rentals at 2% revising RPZ was always going to be on the table at some stage.
Internal-Spinach-757 on
Because having the highest rents in the EU simply isn’t enough
Rent pressure zones are terrible policy that reduces future developments and prolongs housing crises. That’s a fact.
But the situation that caused the need for them is the governments fault.
Big_Height_4112 on
Can someone explain why every landlord wouldn’t increase the rent now ?
Ok_Catch250 on
Because they are a government of landlords, for landlords.
The IMF did not say what the Irish government and the commission say they did. Not at all. They did however have about six headline recommendations, none of which I have heard the government discuss or point at.
keanehoodies on
We keep hearing that building homes is not “economically viable”.
Because companies are not seen as successful if they make a profit, they HAVE TO make more profit than the year before always and forever into infinity
turnhistv0ff on
This is just a high stakes gamble, it COULD boost supply, but if this fails rents, go up and supply stays down your looking at a situation where you have mass evictions and most likely mass unrest.
rom_ok on
I guess making everywhere a rent pressure zone does get rid of them?
aged like milk? Literally posted an hour or two before this was announced
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Coz they do, ok. Now stop asking questions and go and get a job
Because all the evidence is that they make things worse. Of course it’s an emotive topic and can seem easy to criticise and the media will do no favours finding sad cases to highlight without explaining the economic logic of removing them.
I don’t really have much of an opinion on loosening restrictions for new builds. I think allowing landlords to reset rents in between tenancies is a bonkers decision that no impartial body has recommended and that I genuinely think will have no beneficial outcomes for anyone other than landlords.
More rent, more money, more profit.
Because most of them are landlords or investors in property.
It’s because they hate their own citizens, they want everyone to pay 2-3k per month in rent to faceless REIT’s so they can claim to get building moving again or some other lies they continually push.
It’s because the want private apartments to be built.
Because they know the state can never delivery all the apartments needed, and many people will never qualify for a council house.
Last year every apartment development started was state funded through one scheme or another.
>The report stated that the regulatory framework has become “more and more complicated for landlords”
Boo fucking hoo. Landlords want rental properties to be entirely passive investments that they don’t have to do any work for, ever. It’s pathetic.
When they were introduced, many correctly stated that housing investment would dry up, making the housing situation worse in the long run. Six years later, those people were proven correct. Its easy to say they are pro landlord etc.. but ultimately they want to incentivise international investment back to Ireland to build apartments and homes. The state cannot fund it all.
Because they are all landlords or have brown envelope landlord pals or both
Cause a decent percentage of the Dail are landlords.
And all the “all the evidence says rent caps are bad” commenters should also be on board with pushing for BUI cause all the evidence is that leads to nothing but positive results.
The economics of building new homes in Ireland are not working so we are building far too few. The problems are multi-faceted, but one of the big issues is that too little money is being invested because for a whole load of reasons it is not economically attractive. Ideally, the solution lies in getting funding working for a mix of private build-to-own, private build-to-let, public build-to-let and some public build-to-own. None of these funding pillars work well right now, and we really need to get them all working in concert if we are going to resolve our housing shortages. That means that, like it or not, among many other issues we have to fix the economics of private build-to-let.
The economics of private build-to-let are problematic right now. One of the big issues is that the current scheme under which rental caps increase by the lesser of inflation or 2% will cause the real value of rent on a property to fall over time, while the real cost of maintaining it will increase (because services inflation is generally higher than total inflation). Coupled with the real possibility that a future government will hit rental returns harder, this means that even the objectively high rents we see now will not provide sufficient expectations of returns to drive the levels of private build-to-let construction that we need to see.
Realistically, over the long run we should probably expect to see rents increase roughly in proportion to incomes, which over the long run will average a little ahead of inflation. If rents run ahead of that, rentiers will be coining it. If investors expect that rents will run far behind that, expected returns on investment will be insufficient to attract adequate market funding to private build-to-let and we will perpetuate the shortage.
This would be a disaster for my town. The RPZ is the only reason most service workers can still live there at all, and it’s a town that’s heavily reliant on tourism. There’s already a serious shortage of workers and that would tip it over the edge.
Besides that, I think that rent increases should be capped in general. It’s beyond stupidity to see accommodation costs doubling in a short period of time. Without a cap, landlords are just going to take everything they can as individuals without any concern for wider consequences– that’s human nature.
Suppose unless the government were going to cap the expenses related to providing rentals at 2% revising RPZ was always going to be on the table at some stage.
Because having the highest rents in the EU simply isn’t enough
[https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/6939681/7243182/Ares%282023%298073026+Booklet_2024_rents_2023_e_Final.pdf/e9d50b9f-911c-ca5f-7161-1adc03cb7598?t=1701095269033](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/6939681/7243182/Ares%282023%298073026+Booklet_2024_rents_2023_e_Final.pdf/e9d50b9f-911c-ca5f-7161-1adc03cb7598?t=1701095269033)
Rent pressure zones are terrible policy that reduces future developments and prolongs housing crises. That’s a fact.
But the situation that caused the need for them is the governments fault.
Can someone explain why every landlord wouldn’t increase the rent now ?
Because they are a government of landlords, for landlords.
The IMF did not say what the Irish government and the commission say they did. Not at all. They did however have about six headline recommendations, none of which I have heard the government discuss or point at.
We keep hearing that building homes is not “economically viable”.
Because companies are not seen as successful if they make a profit, they HAVE TO make more profit than the year before always and forever into infinity
This is just a high stakes gamble, it COULD boost supply, but if this fails rents, go up and supply stays down your looking at a situation where you have mass evictions and most likely mass unrest.
I guess making everywhere a rent pressure zone does get rid of them?
aged like milk? Literally posted an hour or two before this was announced