They really want to push this “hate the old” agenda don’t they?
I’d rather pay a bit more tax than have more old people behind the wheel.
Means test it.
thejackalreborn on
You don’t want old people stuck in their homes and free travel can help keep independence but it does feel a bit ridiculous when I’m out with my retried parents and they aren’t having to pay for travel when their disposable income after housing costs is something like ten times mine
Alternative-Bird-894 on
The difference is most old people have paid into the system their whole lives, the same probably can’t be said for these fare dodging chavs.
I really don’t understand the hate towards old people, most of them have worked hard and contributed their entire lives, why shouldn’t they get something back? The mark of a society is how it treats its elderly, its children and its poor.
ProblemAltruistic2 on
Yeah we’re pretty much used to the gerontocracy fucking us over.
aegroti on
I don’t really mind this but it should atleast be retirees only and only for off-peak travel. (which retirees would hopefully be able to do if they aren’t working)
CommunityFear on
I’m fine with pensioners having free travel.
If the rail organisations and police would do their jobs, that’d be great ta
Bullinach1nashop on
Stop fare Dodgers and restrict free travel to those that get winter payments.
brookfresh on
I for one don’t mind. we’ll all be old one day and I feel ive earned a bit of this
Usual-Journalist-246 on
Public transport should be free for all paid for by increased fuel duty.
Spare-grylls on
Getting rid of winter fuel allowances, free public transport and raiding pensions all sound brilliant ideas… To young people that one day intend on retiring.
WebDevWarrior on
An ever increasing triple locked OAP, free travel, free prescriptions, free tv licenses, free eye tests, free dental checkups (if they can get an appointment), discounts on all sorts of shit…
You want to know where all the tax money is evaporating, ask the silver surfers.
Meanwhile, by the time the rest of us get to retirement age the doors of entitlement will be firmly locked and bolted and a bankrupsy notice will have been hung on the door ensuring we get fuck all.
PurahsHero on
It should also be noted that as this is a statutory requirement to provide, local councils have to make up any shortfall in the grant that they receive from central government to cover the costs.
The best idea is to means test it, and if pensioners want to chip in say £1 or £2 to the cost of each trip they can do so.
Saint_Sin on
So they pull the ladder up after them with their cheap homes and triple lock pensions, and we still have to pay their bus fares?
We would rather kill off our disabled to protect their pensions too?
This is some multi-tier society we live in. Special clubs everywhere.
kaleidoscopememories on
100% in support of pensioners having free travel although truthfully wouldn’t be opposed to raising the age from 60 to 65, at least for those fit and healthy and in employment.
My dad for example (age 60) works full time on a comfortable salary with no mortgage, has his own car (plus a company car!) but brags about using his bus pass on the weekends as it’s free.
tremendousdump on
Woah the Telegraph might be onto something here – Now turn that same critical thinking about the challenges of a rapidly ageing population onto the obvious need for unskilled labour and we all might have a chance to move forward as a country
HumbugBoris on
Meanwhile in the universe where Boris “let the bodies pile high” we’re all living in a low tax paradise with well paved roads and functioning public services.
Captain-Griffen on
Can we not just, you know, raise taxes a bit and give everyone free travel outside peak (actual peak, where there’s capacity constraints)? Economically it would be vastly more efficient, socially it would be a big boon, the roads would be less crowded, and environmentally it’d be a win.
Least-Wonder-7049 on
A society is measured by how well they look after their old. The media billionaires are attempting to divide the peasants with this old trope.
ShortNefariousness2 on
London residents get free travel over 60. Most other areas it is pension age (66-67)
geod5 on
Natural causes kills way more people than murderers so why does everyone make such a bit deal out of murdering ?
One is a social programme designed to help people in later stages of life. The other is a crime. How are you comparing the two ?
telaughingbuddha on
All across the democracy world: Old People are choosing other geriatric people or people with pro-geriatric policies.
Only russia is different. They don’t let people grow old.
SpencersCJ on
I mean yeah…I put money to pay for over 60’s free transport, fare dodging costs nothing. Like my taxes dont go on to pay for those people’s tickets, they never got one. Id rather most public transport be free at the point of use for everyone anyway.
IamBeingSarcasticFfs on
The issue here, surprisingly, isn’t the free travel, it’s the travel pass. We pay for pensioner travel like we pay for a weekly pass when we should be paying on a per journey basis, with a discount. That way we only pay for those that use it.
steak_bake_surprise on
Another “who can we blame today, apart from millionaire tax dodgers” story.
Monkey3066 on
Are train companies going to add extra services? Such a scam, most trains outside rush hours are mostly empty! Why should they get extra money?
PuppetPatrol on
Here we go, first reduce their pensions so that electricity bills are a concern, then take away subsidies, plus underfund the healthcare so that ambulances take 5 years to arrive at a heart attack, then make it a cost for them to get out of their home
I’m not saying we can magic money from nothing but the decisions made will also cripple us at retirement sigh
nj813 on
I do wonder how pensioners measure up in the UK when all other things like this are taken into account
Brief-Fox879 on
It’d be good if the government means tested a lot of these pensioner benefits on the £35k p.a.
But maybe that’s their plan.
GitGup on
I mean I think it should be down to how much income the elderly people have as to whether they get free travel to help em out.
phangtom on
Mainstream media loves pushing narratives to hate everyone except the rich.
We should blame the poor, homeless, immigrants, the disabled and the elderly for all of our problems.
Gatecrasher1234 on
This is a London story
The rest of the UK have to wait for state pension age to get their bus pass.
Gekkers on
Free bus pass for over 60s should stay and always be available
GuessWhosBackDude on
Why are we comparing a service to a crime? This is incredibly stupid from the telegraph
33 commenti
They really want to push this “hate the old” agenda don’t they?
I’d rather pay a bit more tax than have more old people behind the wheel.
Means test it.
You don’t want old people stuck in their homes and free travel can help keep independence but it does feel a bit ridiculous when I’m out with my retried parents and they aren’t having to pay for travel when their disposable income after housing costs is something like ten times mine
The difference is most old people have paid into the system their whole lives, the same probably can’t be said for these fare dodging chavs.
I really don’t understand the hate towards old people, most of them have worked hard and contributed their entire lives, why shouldn’t they get something back? The mark of a society is how it treats its elderly, its children and its poor.
Yeah we’re pretty much used to the gerontocracy fucking us over.
I don’t really mind this but it should atleast be retirees only and only for off-peak travel. (which retirees would hopefully be able to do if they aren’t working)
I’m fine with pensioners having free travel.
If the rail organisations and police would do their jobs, that’d be great ta
Stop fare Dodgers and restrict free travel to those that get winter payments.
I for one don’t mind. we’ll all be old one day and I feel ive earned a bit of this
Public transport should be free for all paid for by increased fuel duty.
Getting rid of winter fuel allowances, free public transport and raiding pensions all sound brilliant ideas… To young people that one day intend on retiring.
An ever increasing triple locked OAP, free travel, free prescriptions, free tv licenses, free eye tests, free dental checkups (if they can get an appointment), discounts on all sorts of shit…
You want to know where all the tax money is evaporating, ask the silver surfers.
Meanwhile, by the time the rest of us get to retirement age the doors of entitlement will be firmly locked and bolted and a bankrupsy notice will have been hung on the door ensuring we get fuck all.
It should also be noted that as this is a statutory requirement to provide, local councils have to make up any shortfall in the grant that they receive from central government to cover the costs.
The best idea is to means test it, and if pensioners want to chip in say £1 or £2 to the cost of each trip they can do so.
So they pull the ladder up after them with their cheap homes and triple lock pensions, and we still have to pay their bus fares?
We would rather kill off our disabled to protect their pensions too?
This is some multi-tier society we live in. Special clubs everywhere.
100% in support of pensioners having free travel although truthfully wouldn’t be opposed to raising the age from 60 to 65, at least for those fit and healthy and in employment.
My dad for example (age 60) works full time on a comfortable salary with no mortgage, has his own car (plus a company car!) but brags about using his bus pass on the weekends as it’s free.
Woah the Telegraph might be onto something here – Now turn that same critical thinking about the challenges of a rapidly ageing population onto the obvious need for unskilled labour and we all might have a chance to move forward as a country
Meanwhile in the universe where Boris “let the bodies pile high” we’re all living in a low tax paradise with well paved roads and functioning public services.
Can we not just, you know, raise taxes a bit and give everyone free travel outside peak (actual peak, where there’s capacity constraints)? Economically it would be vastly more efficient, socially it would be a big boon, the roads would be less crowded, and environmentally it’d be a win.
A society is measured by how well they look after their old. The media billionaires are attempting to divide the peasants with this old trope.
London residents get free travel over 60. Most other areas it is pension age (66-67)
Natural causes kills way more people than murderers so why does everyone make such a bit deal out of murdering ?
One is a social programme designed to help people in later stages of life. The other is a crime. How are you comparing the two ?
All across the democracy world: Old People are choosing other geriatric people or people with pro-geriatric policies.
Only russia is different. They don’t let people grow old.
I mean yeah…I put money to pay for over 60’s free transport, fare dodging costs nothing. Like my taxes dont go on to pay for those people’s tickets, they never got one. Id rather most public transport be free at the point of use for everyone anyway.
The issue here, surprisingly, isn’t the free travel, it’s the travel pass. We pay for pensioner travel like we pay for a weekly pass when we should be paying on a per journey basis, with a discount. That way we only pay for those that use it.
Another “who can we blame today, apart from millionaire tax dodgers” story.
Are train companies going to add extra services? Such a scam, most trains outside rush hours are mostly empty! Why should they get extra money?
Here we go, first reduce their pensions so that electricity bills are a concern, then take away subsidies, plus underfund the healthcare so that ambulances take 5 years to arrive at a heart attack, then make it a cost for them to get out of their home
I’m not saying we can magic money from nothing but the decisions made will also cripple us at retirement sigh
I do wonder how pensioners measure up in the UK when all other things like this are taken into account
It’d be good if the government means tested a lot of these pensioner benefits on the £35k p.a.
But maybe that’s their plan.
I mean I think it should be down to how much income the elderly people have as to whether they get free travel to help em out.
Mainstream media loves pushing narratives to hate everyone except the rich.
We should blame the poor, homeless, immigrants, the disabled and the elderly for all of our problems.
This is a London story
The rest of the UK have to wait for state pension age to get their bus pass.
Free bus pass for over 60s should stay and always be available
Why are we comparing a service to a crime? This is incredibly stupid from the telegraph