Le folle marciano per forte pioggia in difesa della neutralità irlandese
di TeoKajLibroj
Le folle marciano per forte pioggia in difesa della neutralità irlandese
di TeoKajLibroj
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Be as neutral as you want if you’ve got the army to back it up (See: Switzerland). You can’t be neutral and depend on everyone else for your protection.
We aren’t neutral so how can we defend or non existent neutrality.
Ireland claiming to be neutral is like me claiming to be an F16 pilot, I can’t fly, I dont have an F16 and I dont have the means to acquire an F16 but sure il keep saying im an F16 pilot.
We allowed weapons, soldiers and POW that would go on to be tortured in breach of the Geneva convention to be transported through our airport (Shannon).
We can’t actually enforce our neutrality because we have no real army, air force and our navy is a glorified coast guard we also have no native weapon manufacturers…
So the second a big neighbour says boo our neutrality is scuffed.
Oh and we haven’t even enshrined it in our constitution..
So we aren’t even constitutionally neutral.
For us to be neutral we’d need mandatory military service for people over the age of 18, a bigger army, actual airforce, actual navy and native weapon or at least munitions manufacturers…… we have none of the above.
Yeah if only people took 2 minutes to read up on what the triple lock actually was and maybe the UNGA and UNSC before they start falling for misinformation. That would be greaat
Closest most of them will get to a shower.
It’s an easy banner to get behind for a lot of them, easy stick to beat the government with because most people don’t understand the triple lock, and how this proposal doesn’t really affect our neutrality.
Long story short, for anyone who’s out of the loop:
At present 1 of the 3 conditions required for the Irish government to authorise foreign troop deployments, is that there is an approved UN security council resolution to back it up.
However, the permanent members of the UN security council have a veto on all UNSC resolutions.
Which means that in effect, the permanent members of the UNSC, get a deciding vote on whether or not we are allowed to deploy our troops abroad.
Meaning that Russia, China, USA, France and the UK have control over our military sovereignty. This isn’t a “what if” kind of thing, these members *frequently* veto UNSC resolutions that they don’t like.
The proposal is to remove this requirement and give us total control over our own military.
Nothing says neutrality like having other nations dictate what you can do with your military
As we know marching and raising awareness achieve lots in this country
They should have had a march last week to raise awareness for this march and maybe more would turn out
fuck neutrality we’re reclaiming palestine for the irish diaspora
Didn’t know about the event. Would definitely join!
Ireland is not neutral Ireland is defenseless
The RAF protects the Airspace and the RN protects the seas.
If IReland wants to remain neutral it needs to invest in its army like other Neutral countries in Europe.
It’s a good thing to fight over, we shouldn’t be aligned with any military alliances or blocs, American, European or Russian for that matter. Some people want to be tools for Trump, they can go and serve their overlords in the US directly.
The discourse around the government having “ulterior motives” reminds me of the referenda last year, with people having wild conspiracy theories like the Care referendum being supported by government and opposition because they secretly want to remove care from people.
Just remove the lock and wait for the next election, by then everyone will realise the fearmongering was bullshit. “Better the devil you know” politics has done enough damage.
Crowds? What crowds?
Neutrality is fine, but it only is credible and useful when you have some substance to back it up. I.e.: armed neutrality.
“This protest is about peace, this protest is about (avoiding Irish) militarisation in Europe, this protest is against NATO membership, this protest is about Gaza”
What is it about the Irish left’s relentless obsession with Gaza? If anything that issue undermines the broader discourse on neutrality. Especially noting that a criticism of the opposition left leaning parties is the government’s definition of neutrality as “military non-alignment”. If neutrality is about more than not being in military alliances then we perhaps shouldn’t be so vociferous on Israel’s brutal campaign in Palestine. It seems to contradict our broader neutrality.
Tying in neutrality and the war in Gaza takes serious mental gymnastics.
I’ve a headache thinking about it.
Fuck Israel.
lol
Lol like 10 people there
What we need is a referendum to enshrine neutrality in the constitution, and then get rid of the triple lock, that way the UNSC permanent members can’t tell us what to do, and there’s still a safety mechanism preventing the government from going off and joining NATO or something
Neutrality is a privilege for those who need not defend themselves. That does not justify evil or warmongering, but it does imply that being capable of contributing to your own defence is justifiable for any nation.
Clueless peaceniks
The triple lock is one of the dumbest ideas ever, how anyone can defend it is mind blowing to me
Ive yet to see one pro neutrality campaign or campaigner, who actually bothers to do their research. Ireland is not neutral legally, in either a constitutional or legislative fashion, neutrality has always just been an ad hoc poltical expediency. If they truly think neutrality is important, why aren’t they campaigning for a constitutional amendment or at least a law passed by the Dail to enshrine neutrality, as with Austria