>Paris argues that investors are looking for a safe haven from US Treasury debt, so the EU should issue more joint debt to service the market, according to officials familiar with its thinking. France and other heavily indebted countries, including Italy and Spain, have long pushed for more common borrowing in order to be able to spend more on priorities such as defence without adding to their national burden.
“There is a great opportunity for the euro to play a bigger role globally,” said IMF managing director Kristalina Georgieva at a meeting of EU finance ministers in Luxembourg on Thursday.
France can’t steal as much money from Africa as it used to and now wants EU to foot the bill with debt economy. And it is framing a good situation in the hopes that EU will be dumb enough to go with it.
EURO is not becoming a reserve currency or ‘greater international role’. Economies are weak and there is very little value added in global supply chains, and militarily euro is backed by weak organs. Above all, EU is still paying back old debts, and it can’t (and shouldn’t) be digging deeper into debt considering the economic portfolio of many countries.
>A senior EU diplomat said the commission will take into account Berlin’s opposition. But if the situation deteriorates “pressure will grow especially as some member states’ economy is in — well — not so good condition”. The EU is already struggling to repay the almost €800bn of common debt it issued during the Covid-19 pandemic to fund economic stimulus.
A lot has to change before euro is a viable option. Actually having a separate foreign policy and not existing as satellite or vassal state of USA is pre-requisite. For euro to become reserve currency, other nations have to see value in it. At the moment current EU barely registers as anything more than a footnote in modern USA’s global arm of influence.
JustOneTwoThree4 on
Of course they do, France has so many debt that they want to share them with others – completely altruistically, of course.
TheoryOfDevolution on
>France and other heavily indebted countries, including Italy and Spain, have long pushed for more common borrowing in order to be able to spend more on priorities such as defence without adding to their national burden.
Sounds like all the more reason why we shouldn’t have joint borrowing. Those countries, mine included, need to learn to balance their budgets.
>The EU is already struggling to repay the almost €800bn of common debt it issued during the Covid-19 pandemic to fund economic stimulus.
>The European Commission estimates €30bn per year, or a fifth of the budget from 2028, will be spent on repayments, unless it refinances the debt. France says that issuing more debt on top would create enough liquidity to tempt investors, according to two people familiar with the matter.
So France’s proposal to address the large EU debt is to…issue more debt? Genius!
Any-Original-6113 on
Let me tell you, who will have to pay more?
Germany and the Netherlands?
builder_buddy on
Good luck with selling the plan to the Germans and the Dutch.
SaraHHHBK on
No comments talking about “European Solidarity” now, huh? Funny how that only works for defence apparently
Generic_Person_3833 on
> France pushes for joint debt to counter its rising debts and breaking of the 3% debt rule.
Unlucky_Vegetable576 on
Just like in marriage, it is the boring stuff like shared bank account that makes it real XD
Legitimate-Cow5982 on
This will not go well
smmrnights on
What a terrible idea! Each country should only be held accountable for they own overspending!
Xibalba_Ogme on
I swear my politicians are addicted to debt
Stiefelkante on
Every time this comes up fiscally more responsible countries answer, that this only goes with giving up financial sovereignty to the EU. This won’t happen.
WW3_doomer on
The issue on the table
French plan to assume
State debt and establish a national bank
Mann Merz you have the floor sir
mrsuaveoi3 on
France has spent around 300 billion euros on its nuclear arsenal since 1945. Countries that opposes joint issue of debt also want to be included in France nuclear umbrella…
Cakers the lot of them! lol
That_guy4446 on
I would like to see the French cry when the German are going to reply : “ok but then we make your budget for you”
Magnetronaap on
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Arabum97 on
It’s a good idea, for most of eu countries they would pay less interest and the remaining one would only see a slightly uptick (Germany is gonna do a lot of debt now so I expect their yields to increase).
What it is important is the accountability, it should not be just hand out of debt money to countries. There should be the possibility of blocking funds to countries through qualified majority voting to irresponsable countries. Also money should be tied to specific goals/reforms
Thodor2s on
EU debt for EU spending. National debt for National spending. Why is this so hard?
CertainMiddle2382 on
France is totally bankrupt and is absolutely impossible to reform.
Without that join debt, French credit spreads are going to explode, especially if LePen becomes president (as she is in lead right now).
Also don’t forget that throughout history, France has the habit of defaulting on debt. So I suppose the plan is to partly default on French owned debt, make EU buy what remains, and from there fly away to the next level.
vkstu on
Sure, joint debt, joint financials. You don’t get to decide how much you spend anymore. Still want it France?
Klaus_Von_Ha on
I can’t speak for the Dutch but the Germans have become so obsessed with debt, they’re willing to sacrifice anything on its alter. Austerity to some extent worked, debt to GDP is lower, but the cost was infrastructure failing, trains that don’t work, lack of funding in schools, insufficient health spending.
I mean our internet infrastructure is laughable considering how much money we could invest in it. The joke is that the CDU are now the ones having to actually invest and increase the debt, shredding their reputation for “fiscal responsibility” built on never spending on anything even when it’s needed.
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About time to unify Europe with debt!
>Paris argues that investors are looking for a safe haven from US Treasury debt, so the EU should issue more joint debt to service the market, according to officials familiar with its thinking. France and other heavily indebted countries, including Italy and Spain, have long pushed for more common borrowing in order to be able to spend more on priorities such as defence without adding to their national burden.
“There is a great opportunity for the euro to play a bigger role globally,” said IMF managing director Kristalina Georgieva at a meeting of EU finance ministers in Luxembourg on Thursday.
France can’t steal as much money from Africa as it used to and now wants EU to foot the bill with debt economy. And it is framing a good situation in the hopes that EU will be dumb enough to go with it.
EURO is not becoming a reserve currency or ‘greater international role’. Economies are weak and there is very little value added in global supply chains, and militarily euro is backed by weak organs. Above all, EU is still paying back old debts, and it can’t (and shouldn’t) be digging deeper into debt considering the economic portfolio of many countries.
>A senior EU diplomat said the commission will take into account Berlin’s opposition. But if the situation deteriorates “pressure will grow especially as some member states’ economy is in — well — not so good condition”. The EU is already struggling to repay the almost €800bn of common debt it issued during the Covid-19 pandemic to fund economic stimulus.
A lot has to change before euro is a viable option. Actually having a separate foreign policy and not existing as satellite or vassal state of USA is pre-requisite. For euro to become reserve currency, other nations have to see value in it. At the moment current EU barely registers as anything more than a footnote in modern USA’s global arm of influence.
Of course they do, France has so many debt that they want to share them with others – completely altruistically, of course.
>France and other heavily indebted countries, including Italy and Spain, have long pushed for more common borrowing in order to be able to spend more on priorities such as defence without adding to their national burden.
Sounds like all the more reason why we shouldn’t have joint borrowing. Those countries, mine included, need to learn to balance their budgets.
>The EU is already struggling to repay the almost €800bn of common debt it issued during the Covid-19 pandemic to fund economic stimulus.
>The European Commission estimates €30bn per year, or a fifth of the budget from 2028, will be spent on repayments, unless it refinances the debt. France says that issuing more debt on top would create enough liquidity to tempt investors, according to two people familiar with the matter.
So France’s proposal to address the large EU debt is to…issue more debt? Genius!
Let me tell you, who will have to pay more?
Germany and the Netherlands?
Good luck with selling the plan to the Germans and the Dutch.
No comments talking about “European Solidarity” now, huh? Funny how that only works for defence apparently
> France pushes for joint debt to counter its rising debts and breaking of the 3% debt rule.
Just like in marriage, it is the boring stuff like shared bank account that makes it real XD
This will not go well
What a terrible idea! Each country should only be held accountable for they own overspending!
I swear my politicians are addicted to debt
Every time this comes up fiscally more responsible countries answer, that this only goes with giving up financial sovereignty to the EU. This won’t happen.
The issue on the table
French plan to assume
State debt and establish a national bank
Mann Merz you have the floor sir
France has spent around 300 billion euros on its nuclear arsenal since 1945. Countries that opposes joint issue of debt also want to be included in France nuclear umbrella…
Cakers the lot of them! lol
I would like to see the French cry when the German are going to reply : “ok but then we make your budget for you”
ahshitcj.jpeg
It’s a good idea, for most of eu countries they would pay less interest and the remaining one would only see a slightly uptick (Germany is gonna do a lot of debt now so I expect their yields to increase).
What it is important is the accountability, it should not be just hand out of debt money to countries. There should be the possibility of blocking funds to countries through qualified majority voting to irresponsable countries. Also money should be tied to specific goals/reforms
EU debt for EU spending. National debt for National spending. Why is this so hard?
France is totally bankrupt and is absolutely impossible to reform.
Without that join debt, French credit spreads are going to explode, especially if LePen becomes president (as she is in lead right now).
Also don’t forget that throughout history, France has the habit of defaulting on debt. So I suppose the plan is to partly default on French owned debt, make EU buy what remains, and from there fly away to the next level.
Sure, joint debt, joint financials. You don’t get to decide how much you spend anymore. Still want it France?
I can’t speak for the Dutch but the Germans have become so obsessed with debt, they’re willing to sacrifice anything on its alter. Austerity to some extent worked, debt to GDP is lower, but the cost was infrastructure failing, trains that don’t work, lack of funding in schools, insufficient health spending.
I mean our internet infrastructure is laughable considering how much money we could invest in it. The joke is that the CDU are now the ones having to actually invest and increase the debt, shredding their reputation for “fiscal responsibility” built on never spending on anything even when it’s needed.