Tassi di fertilità in Irlanda: perché sempre più donne decidono di non avere un figlio?
https://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/healthandwellbeing/arid-41654408.html
di gig1922
Tassi di fertilità in Irlanda: perché sempre più donne decidono di non avere un figlio?
https://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/healthandwellbeing/arid-41654408.html
di gig1922
31 commenti
Cos common sense dictates being able to afford to look after said children including things like housing
Because we have the right to choose, and some have chosen not to have kids. It’s very simple
My wife and I just decided we don’t want any children whatsoever, so we’ll be telling them later on this evening..
People are priced out of having children, mainly due to the lack of affordable housing
Aside from the issue of housing and care cost, some people are releasing that you actually don’t have to have kids.
Have you seen the cost of living? 👀
Because creche costs more than my mortgage.
because women are more independent than yester years , they care more for careers , they dont want to have children ,
Ive decided to not have any for many reasons.
I dont trust any man to properly be 50/50 in raising a kid. Ive seen it time after time where the load is left to the mammy. (Not always)
My mental health would take a huge hit being stuck caring for something 247. Also in my teen years I cared for my sick family that I feel like i already done my time of being a carer.
I can’t afford to buy myself a new pair of shoes and I work full time on an above average salary.
Ive endometriosis which will make it difficult and no health care to support this. Expensive too.
What house am I supposed to raise these children in?
In human history women did not have much choice. No Contraception, peer pressure, no childless role models, lack of options in career or entertainment.
Now women have so many options other than being a mother in career or holidays or hobbies etc. And if they have 1, they can decide they don’t want anymore. Or they wait until “last minute” to have a child and then cannot have anymore.
Housing, cost of living, the freedom not to.
I never wanted kids, but the number of women 2+ kids in who quietly admit they think they’d have been far happier if they’d never had any is something that haunts me.
Its a huge ordeal, physically and mentally that takes over a chunk of you life. People have reservations at the best of times. The appeal is only going to go down if you are still living out of your childhood bedroom because its the best rent in the same county as your job.
I don’t understand why this is being framed as a new issue when it’s the logical consequence of both parents needing to work for financial reasons but childcare costs basically eating up an entire salary. Maybe it’s because childcare was seen as a women’s issue until recently and therefore not important enough to bother talking about.
I’ll never take for granted that we’re pretty much the first generation of women who do get to make that choice
We are one and done. It’s a combination of 9 years of fertility struggle, our age now and realising we don’t want to end up broke in the pursuit of more kids. Mentally we couldn’t hack being through that rollercoaster again either.
People have more choice now and I think people are thinking more critically about if they want kids, and their family size. My mom is one of 7 and my dad one of 13… The family size wasn’t a choice. They grew up happy but it was more about coping and making do, and others being in the same situation.
It’s a culture thing. People have a lot of things they like that they would need to give up if they had kids. Happening to every 1st world country.
The answer to this is actually counter intuitive, it’s education. Birth rates fall off in countries with high standards of education where women can expect to have a career and financial independence.
No doubt womens (perfectly valid) choice to not have kids is going be affecting fertitlity rates but the international evidence on this seems to suggest declining fertititly rates are most strongly associcated with a declining rate of coupling amongst young people.
Some women are determined to have kids and mostly will. Some are determined not to and mostly wont. But likely a majority of women would have kids in the right circumstances with a solid partner. But there is a significant decline the rate of young people in couples and increasingly more women are finding that they’re not in the right circumstances at the right age for having kids.
Housing costs etc are making a lot of couples have less children than they might want to have. But the biggest driver in the US in recent years is just that there are a lot less couples. Women can have children without a partner, but not many do. Less people are getting into long term relationships, and hence no children. I assume ireland is no different.
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Well low fertility rates are the symptom of an advanced, wealthy society with good healthcare and educated people.
I dunno why so many comments here are citing cost of living as the reason. I’m a woman who doesn’t want kids but of all the women I know that have kids / want to have kids, cost was never a huge factor in their decision. Like if people want to have kids they will have them and find a way to make it work. I’m happy to be corrected but I’d find it hard to believe that there are people out there who really want to have kids but are like “oh no, nevermind it’s too expensive, we just won’t bother”, very sad if there is people like that out there, you have my full sympathy. I’d be more inclined to believe that the root cause here is more people (male and female) are like myself and just don’t want to have kids.
I’m 38f and I wasn’t ready until I was 36 to consider having children. Now I am struggling to get pregnant and staying pregnant when I do conceive.
Here are some of the reasons that I am in this situation:
1. Caring for elderly parents when I should have been planning my family
2. Trying to secure a roof over my head, when I should have been planning a family
3. Stuck in jobs that wouldn’t provide adequate maternity benefit or sick pay, meaning I was worried that I couldn’t afford to be pregnant and on maternity leave
4. Insecure work contracts in a sector that relies on government funding which they may or may not provide, despite providing important services in the community
5. Realising that I don’t have family to rely on for childcare and probably can’t rely on being able to find childcare for a 7 month old if I have a baby one day
6. Because of insecure employment and a tiny pension pot, not sure I can afford to even grow old in this country
7. I could go on but it’s no mystery really I am just a random example of a 30 something woman but I reckon there is a combination of the list above that is affecting the number of kids people are having.
As a bloke, I’d love a family, love to have kids, but the housing crisis which it very really is, means I don’t feel I can date while still having to live with family. I’m on a good wage, still I can’t afford to rent on my own in Cork. I always had done until two years ago. Now I can’t.
People might say that’s a stupid view to have, but one saying you live at home puts a lot of people off, two actually living and home and not having your own space dents your self esteem.
We still have the highest birth rate in Europe. In other countries having 4 kids is unheard of. Here is normal
Cost and lack of state care! If the state took responsibility for early childcare like they do at primary or secondary level, it would do a world of good
1. Cost of housing. Both adults need to be working full time in order to afford the rent/mortgage on most properties in Ireland.
2. Distance from family. We used to be nearer to grandparents, siblings, cousins, etc. Now we’ve migrated all over the country for work so it’s no longer feasible to pop the kids into granny for a day while you had other stuff to do.
3. Because of point 2, we need to pay for professional childcare, which eats up an entire salary.
So either one parent stops working and cares for the children full time or gives up most of their income to crèches. Which causes problems due to point 1.
If people were to choose to go the benefits route to raise children, they first have to wait about 10 years to be given a home, and once they have it they are stuck because they can’t go back to work or will risk losing their benefits.
Not enough support for families, no creches, insufficient maternity leave considering there is no childcare options.
Long queues to access fertility help in public system.
Economic issues e.g housing
We simply cannot afford them. Child care is extortionate, inflation is very high, food & gas is crazy. ESB bills are skyrocketing!!! We can FKN afford kids. Weak leaders, poor choices.
Is it fertility? Or a system that is hostile to families? How can you raise a family from your parents box room in a system with no available childcare?
2 weeks paid paternity leave, 6 months paid mat leave and next to no one in terms of childcare accepts babies younger than a year old.- if you can even find a place. Pretty damning. Not to mention very little supports in the pregnancy and post natal period. If you need medical assistance (IVF) etc to carry a healthy baby/babies to term, you can bankrupt yourselves fairly quickly. All these issues superimposed on to a complete and utter lack of homes to raise these families in- and you’ve got a pretty toxic combination.
Frankly, the “women just don’t want to have a child” should be a full answer too.
I can’t afford a house with space or childcare. I’m not saying it’s never going to happen but by the time I have the resources it’ll probably be too late