Il ministro difende i tagli al benessere, dicendo che il numero che riceve PIP in aumento di 1.000 al giorno
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jun/24/pat-mcfadden-welfare-cuts-1000-people-a-day-pip
di acrimoniousone
Il ministro difende i tagli al benessere, dicendo che il numero che riceve PIP in aumento di 1.000 al giorno
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jun/24/pat-mcfadden-welfare-cuts-1000-people-a-day-pip
di acrimoniousone
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Even the tories didn’t go this far with their cuts, its insane that labour are trying to do this.
Until the people who favour benefits can explain to me how we can magic up 200 billion a year to cover the deficit that is actually achievable. Then we need to cut spending.
I’m sorry but I refuse to sacrifice the working and middle classes by fucking them up with taxes to save everyone else.
They’re still in the process of moving people over from older benefits. Kids also age into getting pip. They’re lying and trying to bamboozle people about where the numbers come from. Just like they keep trying to tell people it’s to get more people into work, when in reality pip is not an out of work benefit. It enables many people to work as it pays for special transport and care people need to be able to do a job. The whole thing is gross.
Cuts aside, can we also agree that the misrepresentation by ministers and MP’s is no better than what the tories did? Because these are not good people trying to help the disabled. Good people would not need to lie to the public to justify their actions.
Most of the statistics they have been putting out to justify this are absolute BS so I guarantee this is another one that isn’t true.
Are we really adding 365000 people per year to PIP? That sounds unsustainable.
What’s the latest figures on people coming over on small boats again?
What benefits are they receiving once here?
Seems like a correlation to me.
We need details on exactly what is being removed and from who. They may have published something already. I fear that many people who have suffered from things like psychotic breaks in the past are going to be considered fit to work moving forward, simply because they aren’t showing those symptoms right now in front of an assessor, leading to disastrous consequences. It must be GP’s decision whether someone is truly fit to work – not some lackey from G4S.
Whether people want to admit this, we have a large number of people who are being crushed by our ultra-competitive world. People get pumped out of school into insane competitively workplace where they compete for scraps and a lucky few make it. Factors like rising bills and a serious lack of adequate training is putting people into precarious positions under extreme ongoing stress. This is driving them into anxiety resulting in real physical symptoms and inability to function.
Someone needs to run a proper study on the mental side effects of being forced to work a horrible job with no prospect of any improvement in circumstances. I expect the conclusions would be bleak.
people need to realise that we just can’t afford all the things we’re doing and that something has to go.
we cant have:
quarter of people on benefits
state pension for 20 years
500 new citizens a day
free health care for all
5% of spending on defence
more police and more prisons
some of these will have to go and “tax the billionaires” isnt the solution you think it is.
Ah yes. Another thread filled with Brits blaming other poors for them also being poor.
It’s always the benefit scroungers, nothing to do with class warfare or the billions lost to fraudulent contracts. It’s the disgusting poors.
Funny how there’s always loads of people on these threads who know someone, who knows someone else, who gets the full load of benefits yet is secretly out clubbing and playing football all the time 🤔. Yet they never report them 🤨.
Has to be done.
Welfare bill is among a few other eye-watering costs that are weighing the country down a lot.
Many areas we can make cuts to alliviate this pressure are welcome, though not all.
I would prefer to see other areas cut, changed and taxed differently, but this is one area that absolutely does need changing.
The ideal way to do it, is on a person-by-person basis, reviewing the needs of each individual closely.
There are definitely some people receiving PIP that do not need it and do not deserve it.
I get that this is a controversial take, but I know personally some that receive PIP now and have for more than 10 years, that do not require it and even brag about not having to work.
BBC have put out a few articles [BBC Article](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdedk5ep7g9o) in which they detail some of the things PIP claimants use their funding for, which in my mind, is not a legitimate use of Tax-payer funded government benefits.
There are obviously plenty of people who do claim PIP for things they need help with, that cost extra money; refitting your living space to cope with disabilities for example.
Just like the winter fuel payment debacle, the rebellion from labour MPs is dissapointing.
They will rebel against this nescacary measure, but not against other terrible decisions.
I wouldn’t be surprised with a U-Turn, but I’m hoping they don’t.
I struggle to see the big objection to these reforms. I think 99% of them dont know what they actually are.
On a PIP assessment you score on various areas, e.g. dressing yourself, managing budgets, accessing the community etc. Currently you need a total score of 8(I think?) to get PIP, but this can be across lots of different areas of low score to make 8. This is how people with non-severe mental health problems generally claim PIP. 1s and 2s tend to be that the person can complete the task/meet the need, but with adjustments, like not bring able to cook from scratch but being able to cook a ready meal for dinner.
The reforms say you need at least 1 score of a 4 in one area to get PIP. So that’s one area where you definitely always need help to get that task done, like you can’t prepare any kind of meal or you can’t dress yourself at all.
Let’s also not forget that care packages are totally separate, so if someone with anxiety does need support to go to the shops they can be assessed for a package of care for this, which usually will mean once a week someone pops along to support them.
We need investment in mental health services to treat people and give them structure. While money probably doesn’t hurt I find it hard to see how money will actually help with most of the 1s and 2s.
If 1000 people a day are signed onto sickness benefits then in 178 years every single person in the UK will be on them. I think Labour will probably be out of power by then.
What is worrying is that millions of people have to rely on some form of benefits.
A fifth of all new cars in the UK are bought on Motability. Absolutely mental how many in the UK are utterly dependent on the state. With this increasing every year, how much more are workers meant to pay in taxes to fund this?
Now apply this logic to people claiming pensions and see how far it gets you.
I thought the government plan was to reduce the eligibility criteria so less people qualify?
If anything I believe we should be looking at those with drug addictions. A couple of them live down my street and they are full on for two days then out and about till next payday looking for things to nick. So many people have caught them on cameras trying car doors jumping over fences to try doors. The money they get is going straight in to dealers pockets and obviously filtering to certain countries abroad. These people could be functioning members of society yet the disability benefits they receive go to funding only one thing. Rehab or some sort of programme should be a condition of receiving these benefits.
I don’t even have any smart or sarcastic things to say about Labour anymore they’re all just rotten cunts
<50 years ago, disability benefits didn’t exist. The bar for eligibility is far too low now and disability benefits have become completely unaffordable. If it continues as is, disability benefits won’t exist 50 years into the future.
The bar needs raising, and predicated on a fixed % of GDP budget with slight flexibility to account for annual variability.
The country absolutely cannot afford a disability benefits bill as big as it is, never mind one that is growing out of control. It will grind to a halt. We’re already seeing crumbling public infrastructure and no money to fix it.
The only way we’ll get out of this mess is with some pain, and reallocating welfare spend towards capital spending, education, health and the police to allow the country to function properly and grow.