L’Europa può gestire la sicurezza se gli Stati Uniti si ritirano dal continente, afferma il leader della NATO
https://www.newsweek.com/nato-summit-hague-petr-pavel-donald-trump-europe-us-troop-withdrawal-2090077
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L’Europa può gestire la sicurezza se gli Stati Uniti si ritirano dal continente, afferma il leader della NATO
https://www.newsweek.com/nato-summit-hague-petr-pavel-donald-trump-europe-us-troop-withdrawal-2090077
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By Ellie Cook — reporting from The Hague — Security & Defense Reporter |
European countries will be able to fill in the gaps left by the U.S. military on the continent with proper planning, the president of the Czech Republic said, as NATO’s biggest summit of the year provides no concrete answers on whether the White House will take the step of rolling back its footprint in Europe.
“I believe that we can easily find common language with our American allies,” particularly on “to what extent they want to disengage,” Czech President Petr Pavel, a retired general who headed NATO’s Military Committee between 2015 and 2018, told Newsweek on the sidelines of the NATO summit in The Hague.
If the U.S. can identify which capabilities Europe must replace, “and if we plan it properly to develop or reinforce these capabilities, there will be no capability gap in Europe,” Pavel said.
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The US it’s losing its soft power, while the EU learns to stand on its two feet.
the question is: will eu countries be able to decide what to do and how to do it?
Continent of almost 450 million people needs a country of 340 million to protect against a country of 140 million.
Is there not going to be any discussion on this guy’s private messages to Trump, congratulating him on his attacks on Iran and celebrating that they’re “making Europe pay in a big way”?
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/nato-chief-praises-trump-for-making-europe-pay-in-a-big-way-on-defense-ahead-of-historic-summit
Full messages: https://static.eldiario.es/clip/2d898bac-fa75-42ac-9c3f-ab22c417c445_source-aspect-ratio_default_1120478.webp
This guy is a US submarine and it’s high time he gets replaced with someone who actually cares about European strategic autonomy, rather than someone who lobbies for the interests of US industry.
From an American perspective, who is pro-NATO and EU, I really would like to see our allies invest more in their individual defense and our collective defense.
I hate knowing how much we spend. Granted, there is always the part of me that says, “Yeah, I’d prefer it was us who had the strongest military.” But, a majority of the sane population would feel just as safe if the EU or individual nations matched or surpassed the US’s military resources.
That is my wet dream, Americans finally getting the fuck out of Europe and Nato. We don’t want them to control us, they don’t want to pay for our defence. It’s a win-win, please get out and let Europe be independent again.
Taking bets. Will Trump start financially fueling Russia against “the nasty” EU and Canada?
I can’t agree more! Sure, after WW2, Europe was in a precarious state, and it would have been ripe for the picking. Yet Europe in 2025 is a totally different beast. We can and should build our defences, not to wage war, yet to convince any and all nation who thinks they can expand by invading their neighbouring countries. United we will stand strong, as long as “everybody does his or her part.
Yet “stop” investing in the wealth abroad, start developing EU manufacturers, put the money into our own economy. Sure, it may not yet rival what countries like the US have, yet by investing in our own materials and knowledge, we can grow bigger, stronger and more efficient. We have the knowledge, use it!
We certainly ‘can’. The only issue is that our leaders are pussies who start to worry about being called antisemetic whenever a Russian farts too loudly.
Tell that to Eastern European Countries!
EU needs to withdraw from nuclear non-proliferation treaty if it’s actually serious about having a fully independent deterrent. Just like the anti-personnel mine treaty, it’s a relic from more naive times.
>If the U.S. can identify which capabilities Europe must replace, “and if we plan it properly to develop or reinforce these capabilities, there will be no capability gap in Europe,” Pavel said.
That’s a really big if. The US has like a 5-to-1 advantage compared to all European NATO members in terms of aerial refilling tankers and heavy airlift capabilities. France, in its famous 2013 Mali operation, had to depend on US heavy lift capability to deploy its troops to North Africa. The US still has the bulk of NATO PGMs. France and the UK, again, famously ran out of PGMs and needed the US to refill them. The US produces arguably the most capable anti-air and anti-ballistic missile systems (Patriot and THAAD) in the alliance and, more importantly, they produce a lot so there’s decent supply. The US has most of the alliance’s nuclear capabilities. The US forward deploys it troops to Eastern Europe, especially to the Baltics. Other European countries would have to commit forward deploying more of their troops to make up the shortfall. I can go on and on but I think the point is made. We can maybe backfill the lost of the US after a few decades but we’ll see an immediate weakening of the alliance and significantly increased spending. Many countries, including mine, was already non-committal to hitting the 2% of GDP spending. If the US leaves, we all would have to spend more than 5% of GDP to make up the shortfall.
Don’t worry, the USA has plenty of weapons for the EU to buy.
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Not yet it can’t. The US’s war fighting capabilities are un-matched, Europe isn’t even close.
France and Germany can’t even get along to develop a fighter jet.
The UK one of two nuclear powers on the continent is currently out of the EU.
Politicians are willing to hold up a security deal over fishing rights. I consider both the EU and UK responsible for this mess.
This continent is too disjointed, and too petty.
In case you’re wondering I think the UK shouldn’t have left the EU.
It’s not easy when your “friend” unexpectedly stabs you in the face.
not quite yet I think
Win-win, Americans can go home, and Europe can get stronger on its own!
Great news! This is what everyone wants. The US has other priorities.