We’re fed up, lonely, and looking at a bleak economy as we enter the workforce. Sounds about right.
Effective-Potato-621 on
No, they don’t.
One in four *say* they do.
But that’s different.
CastleofWamdue on
Given that certain people spent all of 2020 complaining about kids mental health, maybe it’s time the government spent some money on kids mental health then.
NGeoTeacher on
It’s almost as if we’ve created a society for ourselves that is fundamentally incompatible with human biology.
usernamerandom56 on
Height is on a scale. Intelligence is on a scale. Every aspect of the human condition is on a scale. Autism, Asperger’s ,Narcissism, Psychopathy and every other human condition always existed, but we didn’t have a way to identify it and label it. Post WW1 and WW2 there was probably shocking incidence of PTSD, but we didn’t have a definition nor a label. Perhaps there was no more cancer than now, but we didn’t have the technology of MRIs or ultrasound or x-rays.or biopsies or blood tests. Starts will show us there is more cancer, but it’s not the whole story. People just died previously without ever having seen a doctor. Perhaps the current state of mental health has always been with us, only in previous eras there was no definite diagnosis and no label …?
redalgee on
Yeyyyy welcome to the club guys! Please choose a special interest or hobby to help you through dark times! There are many communities out there for the 25% of us and a lot of them too are suffering. Remember, just because the media makes us out to be a problem, doesn’t mean it’s true! Embrace your weird, look after yourself first before you look after others! And one day, these dark times will be over; don’t feel it’s your responsibility to fix soceity’s problems.
lubbockin on
30 years ago many of my friends then were on antidpressants.
it’s like people are more open now about this, I don’t think the numbers are greater.
Sudden_Star_5130 on
Like people in this country care about anyone’s mental health, we live in a ‘im alright jack’ society, not to mention everyone’s stuck with their head in their smartphones to give a damn.
BugPsychological4836 on
We should find whoever is telling these young people this and stop them
existentialgoof on
Any kind of mental suffering now tends to be interpreted through a medical lens, and these diagnoses are subjective and unfalsifiable. This also coincides with the rise in victimhood culture and the age of infantilisation, in which people aren’t expected to have reserves of emotional resiliency, and do expect to have authority figures to protect them from hurt feelings. Because resilience isn’t being cultivated, that means that people are becoming fragile. In addition to becoming reliant on authorities to protect them from emotional injury inflicted by others, they also have the expectation that all of their everyday emotional distress can and should be medicated away, or soothed by some kind of talk therapy nostrum administered by the new clerisy that psychiatry has become.
In addition to the above, there is just the base reality that life is simply a pyramid scheme and a futile, unprofitable struggle in a meaningless universe. Because we are less religious as a society, we don’t have the same illusions to protect us from that truth than our ancestors had.
Riding_on_the_hype on
Sitting on a computer/console/phone and not leaving the house and meeting up with your friends in person is bad for you…? shocking
Sensitive_Echo5058 on
Most people will experience some sort of mental distress, low mood, or anxiety at various points during their life.
The vast majority of people won’t develop long-term mental health conditions that contribute to disability within social, occupational, and educational domains.
It’s important to maintain that distinction and not dilute the meaning of mental health diagnoses so that the people who really need support can access this and be prioritised.
Time-Flower3110 on
I’m not one for dumping my life story but for once I think it’s relevant to the conversation.
I am one of those young people. I am 21(m) and have had the pleasure of dealing with mental health services in this country.
I have struggled with depression for years, but mostly out of pride tried to stick it out. Unfortunately as a result of not being able to handle myself I ended up regularly self harming and in the past two years had attempted to take my own life several times, overdosing on over the counter medication.
There is still a lot of stigma around mental health and because of this sometimes I wouldn’t even report to A&E even when I “panicked” and realised what I had done. The A&E local to me never knew what to do with someone like me, I would be left waiting in a corridor alone for up to 20 hours before a nurse would ask me leave once they decided I wasn’t going to drop dead then and there. There was a referral to a service called Therapy4u but I never would hear from them. Often the doctors wouldn’t listen to what I was telling them and would say things like “you aren’t that bad, you came here after all” and “you really shouldn’t do that, you’re being silly”. Naturally this wouldn’t end up helping my mindset about seeking help.
I think maybe it was my third or forth attempt (which didn’t go to plan, long story short a rail replacement bus service ended up derailing my plan to jump in front of a train leading me to overdose as a backup) before I spoke to a mental health nurse. That was the first time someone tried to help.
I would be looked after by a crisis team at home (hospital beds for inpatient care were full) and was constantly monitored for months. I was heavily medicated, which I still am, and not allowed to go anywhere alone. It was horrible and felt like I was trapped in my own home.
Eventually I would be given treatment through DBT and am now going to start employment again for the first time since my last suicide attempt. I’ve come a long way but I nearly died before getting the chance of getting help.
I am under no illusion that due to how young people are being illustrated as being soft and “making it up” has led to people like me being rejected from A&E. And if we are being blunt there will have been people lost that could of been treated.
I only got the chance because I got lucky. In a bit of irony my new start is what nearly ended me, I will be working on the railway! But the constant news stories about young people and mental health and the politicising of a health issue is shameful and all sides are guilty.
What I will say is this, the constant demonising and equivocating about mental health can and will make people question if their issues will be taken seriously. It will also make them more likely to be ignored or dismissed by medical staff when a young person presents themselves. This will cost lives. And for those who are still reading and are thinking of the financial cost, I will leave you with this:
Suicides are expensive to the tax payer, they automatically require a coroner’s inquiry and investigation. I used to have to play a part in those in my last job.
no_fooling on
Social media is a major contributor to this.
When youre constantly bombarded with peoples “amazing lives” to compare against of course youre depressed.
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That’s not very surprising. We are continually expanding definitions until the entire human condition will soon have some sort of medical label.
We also know telling people about things makes them more likely to believe it. This is the basis behind advertising and propaganda. This is true for mental health too. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0732118X2300003X?utm_source=chatgpt.com
We’re fed up, lonely, and looking at a bleak economy as we enter the workforce. Sounds about right.
No, they don’t.
One in four *say* they do.
But that’s different.
Given that certain people spent all of 2020 complaining about kids mental health, maybe it’s time the government spent some money on kids mental health then.
It’s almost as if we’ve created a society for ourselves that is fundamentally incompatible with human biology.
Height is on a scale. Intelligence is on a scale. Every aspect of the human condition is on a scale. Autism, Asperger’s ,Narcissism, Psychopathy and every other human condition always existed, but we didn’t have a way to identify it and label it. Post WW1 and WW2 there was probably shocking incidence of PTSD, but we didn’t have a definition nor a label. Perhaps there was no more cancer than now, but we didn’t have the technology of MRIs or ultrasound or x-rays.or biopsies or blood tests. Starts will show us there is more cancer, but it’s not the whole story. People just died previously without ever having seen a doctor. Perhaps the current state of mental health has always been with us, only in previous eras there was no definite diagnosis and no label …?
Yeyyyy welcome to the club guys! Please choose a special interest or hobby to help you through dark times! There are many communities out there for the 25% of us and a lot of them too are suffering. Remember, just because the media makes us out to be a problem, doesn’t mean it’s true! Embrace your weird, look after yourself first before you look after others! And one day, these dark times will be over; don’t feel it’s your responsibility to fix soceity’s problems.
30 years ago many of my friends then were on antidpressants.
it’s like people are more open now about this, I don’t think the numbers are greater.
Like people in this country care about anyone’s mental health, we live in a ‘im alright jack’ society, not to mention everyone’s stuck with their head in their smartphones to give a damn.
We should find whoever is telling these young people this and stop them
Any kind of mental suffering now tends to be interpreted through a medical lens, and these diagnoses are subjective and unfalsifiable. This also coincides with the rise in victimhood culture and the age of infantilisation, in which people aren’t expected to have reserves of emotional resiliency, and do expect to have authority figures to protect them from hurt feelings. Because resilience isn’t being cultivated, that means that people are becoming fragile. In addition to becoming reliant on authorities to protect them from emotional injury inflicted by others, they also have the expectation that all of their everyday emotional distress can and should be medicated away, or soothed by some kind of talk therapy nostrum administered by the new clerisy that psychiatry has become.
In addition to the above, there is just the base reality that life is simply a pyramid scheme and a futile, unprofitable struggle in a meaningless universe. Because we are less religious as a society, we don’t have the same illusions to protect us from that truth than our ancestors had.
Sitting on a computer/console/phone and not leaving the house and meeting up with your friends in person is bad for you…? shocking
Most people will experience some sort of mental distress, low mood, or anxiety at various points during their life.
The vast majority of people won’t develop long-term mental health conditions that contribute to disability within social, occupational, and educational domains.
It’s important to maintain that distinction and not dilute the meaning of mental health diagnoses so that the people who really need support can access this and be prioritised.
I’m not one for dumping my life story but for once I think it’s relevant to the conversation.
I am one of those young people. I am 21(m) and have had the pleasure of dealing with mental health services in this country.
I have struggled with depression for years, but mostly out of pride tried to stick it out. Unfortunately as a result of not being able to handle myself I ended up regularly self harming and in the past two years had attempted to take my own life several times, overdosing on over the counter medication.
There is still a lot of stigma around mental health and because of this sometimes I wouldn’t even report to A&E even when I “panicked” and realised what I had done. The A&E local to me never knew what to do with someone like me, I would be left waiting in a corridor alone for up to 20 hours before a nurse would ask me leave once they decided I wasn’t going to drop dead then and there. There was a referral to a service called Therapy4u but I never would hear from them. Often the doctors wouldn’t listen to what I was telling them and would say things like “you aren’t that bad, you came here after all” and “you really shouldn’t do that, you’re being silly”. Naturally this wouldn’t end up helping my mindset about seeking help.
I think maybe it was my third or forth attempt (which didn’t go to plan, long story short a rail replacement bus service ended up derailing my plan to jump in front of a train leading me to overdose as a backup) before I spoke to a mental health nurse. That was the first time someone tried to help.
I would be looked after by a crisis team at home (hospital beds for inpatient care were full) and was constantly monitored for months. I was heavily medicated, which I still am, and not allowed to go anywhere alone. It was horrible and felt like I was trapped in my own home.
Eventually I would be given treatment through DBT and am now going to start employment again for the first time since my last suicide attempt. I’ve come a long way but I nearly died before getting the chance of getting help.
I am under no illusion that due to how young people are being illustrated as being soft and “making it up” has led to people like me being rejected from A&E. And if we are being blunt there will have been people lost that could of been treated.
I only got the chance because I got lucky. In a bit of irony my new start is what nearly ended me, I will be working on the railway! But the constant news stories about young people and mental health and the politicising of a health issue is shameful and all sides are guilty.
What I will say is this, the constant demonising and equivocating about mental health can and will make people question if their issues will be taken seriously. It will also make them more likely to be ignored or dismissed by medical staff when a young person presents themselves. This will cost lives. And for those who are still reading and are thinking of the financial cost, I will leave you with this:
Suicides are expensive to the tax payer, they automatically require a coroner’s inquiry and investigation. I used to have to play a part in those in my last job.
Social media is a major contributor to this.
When youre constantly bombarded with peoples “amazing lives” to compare against of course youre depressed.