“Non hanno mai sentito la parola mascolinità senza la parola tossico”
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/most-boys-never-heard-word-31816076
di DarkSkiesGreyWaters
“Non hanno mai sentito la parola mascolinità senza la parola tossico”
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/most-boys-never-heard-word-31816076
di DarkSkiesGreyWaters
19 commenti
Then maybe we should be more active in being positive masculine role models, how about that fellas? Rather than just crying about descriptive language.
TBH I think essentially saying skill issue to young men is probably good for society, sink or swim and all that
The article was a sad read and was written by someone who lacks empathy and came across quite childish.
All that aside, part of me believes these kids do not have present father figures. A strong father figure would help them understand their worth outside of providing because there’s more to life that what you can do to serve others.
IMO all this bollocks about “what it means to be a man” is screwing up boys way more than anything else. Ten years olds for example are no where near mature enough to understand this and will just perceive themselves as victims. Which is probably the intention.
Toxic masculinity is essentially just how our societal standards around how men should behave *can* produce harm to individuals.
It was a pretty big marketing blunder (no other way to describe it 😂) to call it “toxic masculinity”, as it frames the discussion negatively from the outset in a confrontational manner.
The concept is sound, but good faith discussion around it just gets lost. You have men thinking “oh, so you’re saying that masculinity, and subsequently men, are all toxic?” and often times, women use the term far too flippantly to describe behaviours in men that they simply find annoying, or use it to chastise men.
True – feels like there is a collective, cultural punishment of young men today. They’re being punished for a historic patriarchy they never created, never benefited from, and that does not exist in the same way as it did a generation ago.
God I love articles about masculinity written by women.
Why can’t we just have toxic behaviour instead of making it a masculine or feminine thing?
Reminds me of old gender roles which I thought we were meant to be getting away from.
If you’re a POS you’re a POS.
Then teach them positive masculinity.
All this generation hears is “Toxic masculinity”
I think this sounds like a fantastic project. This bit, though:
“Mike said one of the biggest complaints the group hear from teenage boys is that everybody talks about them, but nobody talks with them. “Their voice they feel is not heard, they feel like they’re all lumped in together,” he continued. “You know, teenage boys in this homogenous mass that are all potential threats and troublemakers and misogynists. It really frustrates them.””
Is just just sad as fuck. And should be worrying, because – at least in my experience – people will live down to your worst expectations of them on a “might as well be hung for a sheep as for a lamb” basis.
One thing that jumped out at me is that I think this project could include a few sessions with girls. And the girls should be listening first, commenting later; I say this because of the part where the boys are explaining what they think girls expect of them. These boys have obviously absorbed some unreconstructed ideas about masculinity, but so do girls, and it would be helpful for *them* to unlearn it, too.
You can’t teach children how to be positive role models when after school a large number of students will go to religious schools of differing religions for just as long as half a school day often 4pm to 6pm or even up to 7pm.
They spent the morning learning about positive role models
Then they spend the evening reading how to condemn everything.
Schools are playing a big role in this. My younger sister goes to a girls school, and before she’s even hit her teenage years or had anything approaching a relationship she’s spouting off anti-man nonsense that’s been drilled into her by older women.
The men in her life have always just supported her and shown her kindness and affection. Yet a young girls mind is now being warped before she even hits puberty into thinking anything to do with ‘men’ or being ‘masculine’ is toxic and naturally always inferior to the female perspective.
Modern feminism is a joke. We’re churning out hateful little confused kids because of a demographic of spiteful middle aged women that grew up on a diet of gossip magazines & manufactured drama. These people end up bitter and alone & then naturally prescribe all of their issues to the opposite sex instead of taking accountability for their own sad life.
Toxic femininity is fast becoming more prevalent than Toxic masculinity.
I wish there was half as much discussion about positive masculinity as there was backlash against the term toxic masculinity. We might actually start making some progress then. Especially when it can be basically be boiled down to “do no harm”.
I think you’ve got to empathise, regardless of what bile they’re consuming, with the perspective of these boys for their age.
Girls outperform boys at pretty much every metric in school now, yet so much discussion and assistance is afforded to girls in an effort to “level the field”.
So much hostile rhetoric i.e Not all men, Male Tears, Toxic Masculinity etc. predates a lot of the male mainstream influencers like Tate and frankly is probably partially the cause. As a 27 year old, I can differentiate the nuance in a “Not all Men” comment but to a kid, in seeing people mock someone who protests not all men are misogynists, rapists etc., you can see how it would sit funny with them.
The Author’s first concern is the boy bringing up not wanting to date a woman earning more than him. Data shows, by and large, women prefer men who earn more or equal to them i.e Marrying up. There’s plenty of other similar examples, we’re not as divorced from traditional gender roles as we’d like to think. These kids aren’t dumb, they know this.
Honestly, I don’t think this is a bad idea in combatting rising misogyny.
> Some of the answers are less virtuous. As the room warms to him and slowly becomes more open, one young man admits he wouldn’t like to be with a woman who earns more money than him.
What is wrong with these kids? Life would be sweet if my wife earned more than me.
My most reactionary opinion is that the mainstreaming of feminist academic language has done more harm than good.
Literally no one in this comment section has read the article.
Read the article before you jump in with your usually talking points.
Idk I’ve seen positive masculinity talked about.
Positive human qualities are pretty much the same across the gender lines. How to make those relevant to your sense of masculinity is something for men to discuss because idk. I dont really understand how men’s sense of masculinity really functions because I can’t really say I’ve ever really given much thought to my own femininity.
I honestly believe that centering your self of self around how other people perceive your gender expression is pretty unhealthy.