>“The Council of Ministers has to tranche that on Friday,” Francken told the Chamber, referring to the decision on the F-35 acquisition. The investment is estimated to cost between €1 billion and €1.5 billion.
For 11 F-35, that comes out to about €136 million per plane at the maximum. Guessing this is the F-35A model. From a layman’s perspective, this seems to be very cost competitive with other planes on the market.
Camelbak99 on
These costs also includes training, support, materiel, etc. The fly away price of just one F-35A is much lower.
It was also mentioned before that only the first 34 are from the Fort Worth FACO and everything else will be from the Cameri FACO.
A third order is still possible.
Muteki123 on
Why are they still buying from the US. It’s on its way to lose its democracy ..
flyingdutchmnn on
F35s are pretty fuckin useless when US decides no more parts/arms/munitions should be exported due to ‘supply limitations’ in the US, as they now claim with Ukraine.
As if the US hasn’t proven their complete lack of reliability enough
saberline152 on
We already bought 34 planes back in 2017, switching to a different aircraft now is sadly almost impossible, the F16’s we have are at the end of their lifespans. Having a Gripen instead (Belgium will not use aircraft with 2 engines for cost reasons) will just make logistics more difficult. I know this is a shit move, but our current minister of defence is pretty pro Trump. Also from a financial standpoint we’re already invested in the F35, we have companies here who are allowed to make certain spares under license (as always it is an economic deal as well) and we built the new infrastructure so it makes financial sense.
The next plane however should be FCAS or Tempest.
Gjrts on
Don’t buy American.
You are feeding a dictator.
BahutF1 on
A risky bet on america future.
Turbulent_Thing_1739 on
Doing exactly as trump wants, buy American military gear to reach 5% of our gdp. Modern day protection money.
Krushpatch on
Reddit in shambles
DeadAhead7 on
Considering the costs of building the installations required by the F-35 cost the Belgians 300M euros per base on their initial order, that’s going to be a fun deal again.
Same with the Germans and their up to 2 billion euros infrastructure bill to house their F-35s on a single base.
As people say, the unit price by itself isn’t bad, but god, everything else is a racket, between the spare parts, the infrastructure, and the constant updates you have to pay for again every time just to finally have the full package, that you can only use if you log into ODIN every 2 months.
Ghune on
Europe fucking up. I’m sad to see that we can’t really cooperate and believe in ourselves.
There will never be a strong Europe without developing more European projects.
gunfirinmaniac on
Ahhh thats why we have a ridiculous tax combined with one of the biggest debt to gdp ratio. Thanks government, were going to get a 100 euro netto tax benefit in 2029 according to the same government (x to doubt)
scatterlite on
Its not an ideal outcome, but with the decision made in the past we have no other practical option but to commit to the F-35. Our pilots and logistics are trained for American planes, a switch to Gripens or Rafales would take forever, be hideously expensive and deliver us planes that will be obsolete much sooner than the F-35.
Due to years of neglecting the military, its almost ineffective now. The only “teeth” we have is the airforce, to keep it that way we need to buy F-35.
Tman11S on
Forgive us for buying American, but we’re a too small country to have 2 different kinds of fighter jets.
Competitive_Waltz704 on
There must be some mistake here, eurobros told me the defence spending would go towards European equipment to guarantee our defence independence, what’s happening?
Ill_Wolverine_6265 on
They definitely didn’t understand anything…
DingoCertain on
Yes let’s be even more dependent on hostile countries…
Movilitero on
well, thats why Trump wanted us to increase defence spent. And instead creating our own industry we buy to the US…
Well done. Really well done!
Ape_Politica1 on
Idiotic move Belgium. You are aiding and abetting your enemy
Most_Grocery4388 on
With all the F35’s, increased ammunition production, stocking up on rocket artillery and air defense systems the chance of Russia having a successful war with a European country seems low. If we lose a war with Russia, even for the Baltics would be a leadership failure not a material failure. EU would also be able to muster at least 500K soldiers with joint deployment.
Only way EU would lose would be indecisiveness and political fracturing.
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>“The Council of Ministers has to tranche that on Friday,” Francken told the Chamber, referring to the decision on the F-35 acquisition. The investment is estimated to cost between €1 billion and €1.5 billion.
For 11 F-35, that comes out to about €136 million per plane at the maximum. Guessing this is the F-35A model. From a layman’s perspective, this seems to be very cost competitive with other planes on the market.
These costs also includes training, support, materiel, etc. The fly away price of just one F-35A is much lower.
It was also mentioned before that only the first 34 are from the Fort Worth FACO and everything else will be from the Cameri FACO.
A third order is still possible.
Why are they still buying from the US. It’s on its way to lose its democracy ..
F35s are pretty fuckin useless when US decides no more parts/arms/munitions should be exported due to ‘supply limitations’ in the US, as they now claim with Ukraine.
As if the US hasn’t proven their complete lack of reliability enough
We already bought 34 planes back in 2017, switching to a different aircraft now is sadly almost impossible, the F16’s we have are at the end of their lifespans. Having a Gripen instead (Belgium will not use aircraft with 2 engines for cost reasons) will just make logistics more difficult. I know this is a shit move, but our current minister of defence is pretty pro Trump. Also from a financial standpoint we’re already invested in the F35, we have companies here who are allowed to make certain spares under license (as always it is an economic deal as well) and we built the new infrastructure so it makes financial sense.
The next plane however should be FCAS or Tempest.
Don’t buy American.
You are feeding a dictator.
A risky bet on america future.
Doing exactly as trump wants, buy American military gear to reach 5% of our gdp. Modern day protection money.
Reddit in shambles
Considering the costs of building the installations required by the F-35 cost the Belgians 300M euros per base on their initial order, that’s going to be a fun deal again.
Same with the Germans and their up to 2 billion euros infrastructure bill to house their F-35s on a single base.
As people say, the unit price by itself isn’t bad, but god, everything else is a racket, between the spare parts, the infrastructure, and the constant updates you have to pay for again every time just to finally have the full package, that you can only use if you log into ODIN every 2 months.
Europe fucking up. I’m sad to see that we can’t really cooperate and believe in ourselves.
There will never be a strong Europe without developing more European projects.
Ahhh thats why we have a ridiculous tax combined with one of the biggest debt to gdp ratio. Thanks government, were going to get a 100 euro netto tax benefit in 2029 according to the same government (x to doubt)
Its not an ideal outcome, but with the decision made in the past we have no other practical option but to commit to the F-35. Our pilots and logistics are trained for American planes, a switch to Gripens or Rafales would take forever, be hideously expensive and deliver us planes that will be obsolete much sooner than the F-35.
Due to years of neglecting the military, its almost ineffective now. The only “teeth” we have is the airforce, to keep it that way we need to buy F-35.
Forgive us for buying American, but we’re a too small country to have 2 different kinds of fighter jets.
There must be some mistake here, eurobros told me the defence spending would go towards European equipment to guarantee our defence independence, what’s happening?
They definitely didn’t understand anything…
Yes let’s be even more dependent on hostile countries…
well, thats why Trump wanted us to increase defence spent. And instead creating our own industry we buy to the US…
Well done. Really well done!
Idiotic move Belgium. You are aiding and abetting your enemy
With all the F35’s, increased ammunition production, stocking up on rocket artillery and air defense systems the chance of Russia having a successful war with a European country seems low. If we lose a war with Russia, even for the Baltics would be a leadership failure not a material failure. EU would also be able to muster at least 500K soldiers with joint deployment.
Only way EU would lose would be indecisiveness and political fracturing.