I Tories affermano che un accordo di migrazione con la Francia “non scoraggerà nessuno”

The right wing newspapers like express are now saying it’s a ’17 in, one out deal’…

The Tories: “We did nothing! And are all out of ideas!”

How does ‘one in, one out’ help at all?

You send back to France an asylum seeker who arrived on a small boat, and in return accept an asylum seeker who is in France but has a family connection with an asylum seeker in the UK (who likely arrived previously on a small boat).

Just swapping asylum seekers doesn’t seem to solve anything, and as it is only one in every seventeen that are arriving by small boat that are going to be swapped, then a sixteen in seventeen chance of not being sent back to France in a swap deal, but then being able to get your family over to the UK by being ‘swapped’ across would seem to be an incentive to increase the numbers wanting to cross by small boat.

The absolute cheek of the Tories to say this.

The reason this measure is needed so urgently is because the conservatives did literally worse than nothing a sabotaged the asylum infrastructure.

I think people complaining about this need to remember that France doesnt really have to care how many migrants make it from France to England if they’ve already made it that far. Tories made this whole situation worse for years.

It really is quite worrying that we’re only halfway through the year and over 21,000 illegal crossings already.

These people could be anyone as they are completely unvetted, potential criminals and potential dangers to society.

Regardless of which side of the political aisle you stand, this really has become one of the most pressing issues facing our country. It simply cannot be allowed to continue.

After 14 years of empty promises, it’s laughable that they think this half-baked scheme will suddenly work. No wonder the Express is already spinning it into a joke, this government’s track record on migration is just one failure after another. At this point, they’re just recycling old ideas and hoping nobody notices.

I absolutley agree, their policy of “Everyone in, nobody out” was much better.

But I can see why the Tories as the “Record Immigration Party” have concerns.

The only thing that will work is to stop the pull factor. No more hotels, benefits, phones, clothing etc. They get given a tent and sleeping bag and dumped in a brownfield site with no freedom of movement or deliveroo jobs. Families, women, children (not 40 year old ones) get accomodated. The single men get the offer of £5k to go back volutarily, that’s it. No asylum claim. Nothing else will work. Need to make their lives as miserable as possible so they show that on their tiktoks and not the 4* hotels abd all the other freebies. Scrap the human rights act and replace with human rights and resonsibilities act. 

For this to work Labour need to get it out of the pilot phase ASAP.

If numbers are uncapped, it has potential to seriously reduce small boat numbers, as no one will risk their lives and pay thousands to cross to the UK only to immediately be sent back to France. Whether it will actually work in practice we don’t know, but there’s good reason to think it should.

But the pilot? It’s almost no deterrent whatsoever due to the cap. And given we’d be swapping people we might end up deporting for people we’ve already agreed to accept, and those we send to France can just try again, it might well actually increase immigration.

But my biggest reason to be sceptical is I’m not really sure how the French benefit. If it works as a deterrent, those migrants who wanted to get to the UK will likely just stay in the EU, and thereby increase illegal immigration to France. So if it works I can imagine the French not being happy and pulling out in short order.

Everyone thinks migrants are coming here for the free place to live, free money, and free NHS

Those aren’t really the pull factors though.

They are coming here because of the communities.

When they are here in the accommodation and waiting for asylum claims to be decided, they have already entered the shadow economy and are living their lives amongst ethnic communities who are more than willing to help them out and bring them in their social circles and congregations and more than willing to arrange marriages for them.

Many disappear from hotel accommodation long before their asylum claims are decided, and they live freely within communities with no possibility immigration enforcement will ever find them.

This is really what Priti Patel’s Rwanda Scheme was targetting but she was never blunt enough to blame the ethnic communities established in the UK. As an ethnic person herself, she likely grew up seeing the brazenness of this constantly in overstayers and illegal immigrants joining ethnic communities. Back to the modern day, it was obvious a hotel for 200 people only had 20 left when the catering was all going in the bin for example. Ask anyone who worked in a hotel from 2020 onwards but have luck finding any as they all ended up with gagging orders even the domestics cleaning the bedrooms.

A one in and one out scheme will never work. The only effective solution is offshore processing. You need to take the power out of the established ethnic communities to constantly undermine the government and undermine the wider public interest.

The country can’t manage anymore immigrants either legal or illegal

Hate to agree with them.. but this is so fucking weak I can’t defend it

Of course not, it won’t fix the problem & the courts will intervene to ensure no one’s leaving.

It’s not a one in one out deal. The French have agreed to 50 a week maximum. We get 10 times that arriving in a day.
We need the navy in the channel conducting push back operations.

Let’s do what the Tories did instead which was (checks notes)… NOTHING