Sondaggio: solo il 41,7% degli spagnoli a favore del rimanente in NATO
Electopanel (10jul): España se debate entre la OTAN o una alternativa europea
di Competitive_Waltz704
Sondaggio: solo il 41,7% degli spagnoli a favore del rimanente in NATO
Electopanel (10jul): España se debate entre la OTAN o una alternativa europea
di Competitive_Waltz704
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>The majority of Spaniards are inclined to maintain the current NATO membership (41.7 %), although an important block (34.7 %) would prefer to replace it with an exclusively European Defense Alliance. Military neutrality convinces 12 % of those surveyed, while options such as limiting themselves to the Armed Forces (3.7 %) or seeking agreements outside the NATO or European framework (between 3.2 % and 3.6 %) have little support. Only 1.1 % did not take a position.
Spaniards when migrants: Eyyy Poland! You must take your share of migrants or pay!!!
Spaniards when NATO and russian threat: “Eh you deal with that on your own. It’s siesta time.”
Tbh I think most Europeans don’t really care what spain thinks about this. The call and need to raise arms spending has been made years ago and has been increasing but Spain is dragging its feet. There’s not a lot of solidarity with Eastern European countries from the actions of Spain. Start with contributing more to the Ukraine war effort and at least doubling your military spending, then maybe start talking about how you’d like to see nato.
Well somehow someone convinced a nation that Russian missiles can’t reach Madrid or that Russian subs can’t somehow show up on the shore of Barcelona.
How short sided and ignorant can one get?
Or Russian propaganda rains supreme in Spain where Putin is a distant irrelevant oil and gas salesman
Asshats
Are they aware of the existence of Russia , by any chance ?
Bye then.
Selfish
Defending against russia is good but being an American lapdog isn’t, spain isnt a big fan of supporting Israels genocide no wonder they don’t like the Israeli American dicksucking alliance known as NATO
Spain doesn’t really contribute to NATO anyways
These polls are absolutely meaningless because they don’t account for the consequences of the proposed options. Ask people “do you want to be part of NATO (implicitly with everything somehow remaining the same)?” and half the population will say NO. Ask them the real, honest question: “Do you want to be part of NATO, spend at least 3.5% GDP on the military and be prepared to help other members, or do you want to be out, with no other members prepared to defend you, and be invaded by Russia?” I bet the answers would be radically different. And make no mistake, Putin has been talking about a Russian “sphere” stretching from Lisbon to Vladivostok.
Our population has always been more critical than the European average with the USA. Are these numbers really a surprise after all that Trump is doing? And the group in favour of NATO is still a majority.
It’s far from Spain to Norway, and still further to the Russian border.
It seems to me here in Northern Europe that we must rely increasingly on the countries around the Baltic and the North Sea. Old alliances are weakening, and stakeholders are looking to themselves.
It is to my mind clear that Norway will to an increasing extent find its security in cooperation with our good Nordic neighbours in the air and on land, and the UK in the Atlantic.
The US will pivot to Asia, and Europe will have to face Russia alone. The extent to which European countries will feel the urgency of this will naturally vary, and the response to other policy areas will also be influenced by this.
I think we will see the countries closer to Russia spend more on defence, and consequently need to be more reticent on spending on other sectors. That will have consequences for all of Europe, regardless on how Russia is perceived as a threat.
Can’t really blame them. NATO offers them nothing but expenses. They are so far away from any enemy that it makes little sense to commit 5% of your gdp to the cause.
NATO is useless. We have EU.
I’m Spanish and I agree, I don’t want Trump deciding what my country does defense wise.
I’d much rather have an alliance with France, Portugal, Italy, and Germany directly. Just a good old mutual defense agreement, easy as that.
I want my country to spend it’s tax money on hospitals, on food for the children and housing for the poor, on fixing potholes on the roads, and on extending our railways. And some cheeto an entire ocean across wants to tell us to take that money away from all those important things so we can fund the private military industry of their country? Screw them.
Everyone thinks that leaving NATO is being selfish and going alone. No, leaving NATO would mean strengthening ties with our neighbors, instead of being part of an alliance that is headed by a country that insults us for not wanting to spend as if we were actively at war (5% is insane!) at the detriment of all our public services and institutions.
As spaniard, the lack of solidarity with eastern europe and the refusal to increase the military spending, is So embarrasing. But sadly I can’t do anything, the current government is not going to do nothing, because the extreme left (podemos and sumar) and ex terrorists (bildu) hate everything related with NATO, and they don’t give a shit about Ukraine.
… So if the government doesn’t fall by the recents cases of corruption that are being investigated, the situation is going to be the same for the next two years.
That is the luxury of being far enough from Russia.
As a Spanish it makes me laugh when I read here that we should be more solidary. But I still remember when half of Europe called us Pigs and refused to have any kind of solidarity when the economic Crisis.
Besides, no one of you really helps Spain with our own security problem (Morroco and Israel) why should we help others with Russia who is not our enemy?
If you want solidarity, start by stopping insulting us here
NATO doesn’t even defend all Spanish territories. When Morocco occupied a Spanish island in the Mediterranean, Spain requested the use of NATO satellites and was denied. France sided with Morocco, and the US didn’t support Spain either. I’m in favor of increasing military spending, but to defend ourselves, and then Europe. But NATO itself? I don’t understand what we’re doing there. I suppose when the referendum was held, they sold it as the “cool group” and had to stay in good standing with the US
Spaniards never gave a shit, they just joined because it would be weird for them not to, far away from anything currently important that they can just chill their asses.
Damn – thats a lot of stupid spanish people.
So in summary, they don’t want the USA in the military alliance, this is not the “edgy” right wing result.
NATO seems intent on pursuing short term success (3.5% GDP spend) while inflicting long term damage (plummeting popularity).
Yeah, the $10 a year membership fee they pay is steep considering the state of the economy
Gents and ladies please read the article or the translation.
I have no love for the Spanish but the bashing is misplaced.
They are in favour of a European defence system while very few want total neutrality, which with trump being trump isn’t a insane stance. Times like this I wish we had a mandatory “read this before talking” set up where you actually read the article.
What is the deal with Spain? It feels like such a European outlier.