La quasi cancellazione della lingua irlandese in soli 200 anni (1800–2000)
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La quasi cancellazione della lingua irlandese in soli 200 anni (1800–2000)
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I think the BBC has an all Irish speaking television channel. I’m glad they tried at least.
Sad
Wow, just… so sad.
If they cared they would reverse it.
What‘s really sad is that the Irish people I spoke to refuse to learn it and consider it „weird“.
A friend (non-Irish) studied in Ireland for a year and said nobody actually speaks Irish in Ireland, they just know ~20 different stock questions and answers which they just trade back and forth perfunctorily. Is that actually true?
I don’t see a problem. What is the point of keeping a language that almost no one uses? A lot of things would be much easier if whole world spoke one language.
Same for Breton and other regional languages in France. Sadly when the number of speakers falls under a certain threshold, it’s nearly impossible to revive a language.
Another lost art about to go its’ way. 😞
This happened all over Europe (or rather the world). Partly as societies centralised and modernised through technological improvements in communication and transport, a lot of languages and cultures became functionally extinct. The other half being deliberate policy by governments who also transformed under these technological innovations.
Wow I’m surprised, I thought Irish was speaked widely in Ireland … you know with all the people being proud of being Irish and all …
kneecap holdin the flag!
How many people speak ancient Babylonian or the native american languages these days? It is sad to witness Gaelic enter the pages of history, but people need to communicate and choose for themselves what way of communication suits them the best. Part of history is becoming history, and it’s a well documented and fully deciphered language.
I’m sounding snarky, but I’m trying to sound empathetic. Part of learning the language I guess.
Unfortunately the independent Irish state has done a miserable job reviving the language, or even halting its decline.
The language just has no utility right now, and cultural pride isn’t enough to motivate most people to learn a second language. I honestly don’t think there’s anyway to save the Irish language without at least some preferential treatment for people who go the extra mile to learn it (IE, priveledged access to government jobs or something along those lines). But I don’t think that’s be politically popular.
Did Northern Ireland have to BREXIT?
Found some students from southern Europe working in a hotel in one of the green bits who had come to the area to improve their English. Just seemed a bit odd given it’s where people normally go to learn Irish.
We can (deservedly) blame the British as much as we want, but the facts remain that it is clear that the average Irishman doesnt really care about preserving it either. Since 1920 the amount of actual native Irish speakers has not gotten any bigger. That’s 100 years btw
Every Irish friend I have has told horror stories of being forced to learn the language in school; and never using it.
Every Welsh friend I have has told wonder stories of learning Welsh at home and using it more and more (from school onwards).
So what is going on?
(You can NOT blame the English here, since both Irish/Welsh got equally oppressed…)
If Irish nationalism movement could spare some time to build their cultural identity and national pride.
That’s just sad.
Absolutely tragic. Language is part of what’s a nation, a people. A culture losing a language dies a little bit, imo.
The erasure was the fault of the UK. The lack of recovery is entirely the fault of the Irish state.
Languages can come back. Wales is the perfect example of this. It is very possible for your country to bring your language back despite being an English speaking country, and incorporate a national pride in your language within all of your institutions and education so that your population grows up bilingual, grows up with pride in their natural language, and even starts to use that language day to day while being able to switch to English for anybody who needs it.
Ireland has absolutely fucked up their opportunity to bring the language back, and they have done it wilfully, so they can stay useful to the USA as a European bridge.
So while the Brits should be rightfully blamed for the historical decline, the lack of recovery is an entirely Irish problem. Ireland could have recovered the language, they made the decision not to as a country.
I hope my own beautiful language will never share this fate. Horrible.
What does the green purport to show? Counties where the majority of residents spoke Irish as a native language?
Didn’t the same happen to Wales?
Very similar to what was happening here in Belarus one century in advance. English is so strong that it assimilates from a distance, Irish had no chance. But it’s not all that bad, every language that has reached our days will never die. Eventually only few languages will be used in everyday life, the rest couple of thousands will be used in art, music, literature, etc.
Explanation from an Irish person:
Irish was banned in the act of union (bringing Ireland into the UK). This led to everyone being forced to use English or face brutality from UK forces. It gained equal status when the Republic of Ireland gained full independence but by then English was the most common language by far. It’s taught in schools as a first language and a lot of students become (almost) fluent, but after school, it’s useless because almost nowhere speaks it (this stemming from non speakers when the Republic was established making English the primary language). It’s seeing a resurgence though. Music and Influencers are starting to use it, and the Gaeltachts are operating summer camps where students only speak Irish that are quite popular.
Tír gan teanga, tír gan anam
Slán leat
This is what’s happening to English in the US, only much faster