Fuckin incredible isn’t it, in nearly 100 years we’ve never elected a government that wasn’t led by FF or FG, and the way its going it will still be true 100 years from now.
That’s not an endorsement of SF by the way but when you think of the seismic economic, demographic and social changes of the last century and not once have we as a nation opted for anything other than the political status quo. We are the electoral equivalent of people who eat the same sandwich for lunch every day.
miju-irl on
Seems Stockholm syndrome is a real thing. Im not sure what’s worse, FF/FG in perpetual government or lack of any real opposition.
him_name_pick_good on

dropthecoin on
At what point does the opposition take heed and change their approach. How many elections and polls will it take.
I know their supporters here will just blame the voters for not voting the way they want them to vote but that strategy really isn’t working either.
Edit: it turns out their supporters and alike *are* here blaming voters for voting the way that they don’t like.
Willing-Departure115 on
The figures being quoted “since the spring” hardly matter, given the Irish electorate went to the polls in late November. On that ocassion SF got 19% and is still 3 points up on that (although in the GE they were down from 24.5% the last GE), FF got 21.9% and is par (with polls and GE), and FG got 20.8% and is almost 4 points below that (the GE result itself was near par for 2020 election).
Of course, these polling numbers and swings are entirely meaningless. People trooped into the privacy of the ballot box and gave us their true opinion, and some of them returned to moaning about the government in low stakes polling and others are sloshing their votes around between various parties.
This is all just hot air – we’re eight months post election in a five year cycle.
urmyleander on
I feel like they shouldn’t get comfortable as support for a party does not represent the full picture.
There are a lot of people who just loathe FF/FG at the moment who will on the day likely vote for the alternative most likely to oust them so rather than supporting another party like SF or the SocDem they will just support whoever can boot FF/FG.
Diligent_Anywhere100 on
The parties that sit in the middle and hope our problems go away. People vote for local politicians. It’s difficult to vote against them because some are obviously doing good work.
However, the issues we are creating for ourselves could last for generations. Housing, infrastructure, public spending, immigration, etc. We are increasing public spending but not building any infrastructure. Building housing is down to 30k a year, but immigration is 140k a year. No one is making any decisions. And all the important areas of govt seem to be working against each other.
darem93 on
So only 14% think the government is doing a good job of tackling the never-ending crises Ireland faces, but yet their support still remains steady?
I swear to god, it’s actually soul-destroying watching this shit happen every single election. Yes I know in general FF/FG are slowly decreasing their vote share, but considering how unbelievably shite they are, they should both be facing a 2011 FF style collapse. But nope, they’ll be topping the polls in constituency after constituency and we’ll be stuck with another 5 years of the same old same.
adomo on
I find it helpful to see the figures without undecideds excluded. Here’s the numbers adjusted to include the 25% of voters who are undecided:
* SF: 16.5%
* FF: 16.5%
* FG: 12.75%
* SD: 4.5%
* Aontú: 1.5%
* Labour: 3%
* PBP-S: 1.5%
* Green Party: 2.25%
* Independents & Others: 16.5%
* Undecided: 25%
GerKoll on
Well….if you don’t do anything, you can’t do anything wrong. So, congrats to FF/FG I guess…..
Difficult-Worry-2649 on

JONFER--- on
I scrolled through the comment section as well as reading the article.
A couple of common themes and questions emerged.
The biggest one was that we have had FF or FG leading governments since the foundation of the state and why don’t the opposition parties cop on and properly challange them?
This is the easiest question of all to answer yet it still confuses some people.
Much of the opposition especially the smaller parties never want to be government, they want to collect their six-figure salaries, brilliant pension and benefits and put on enough of a show and make enough soundbites to get media coverage and get elected the next time around.
Don’t get me wrong sometimes opposition figures make some very good points but they know much of the wealth distribution crap they spout, relaxing citizenship requirements et cetera et cetera just won’t work…… But it sounds good for a soundbite.
Jealous-Shop-8866 on
Pat Leahy down to salt over this.
barker505 on
SF’s failure to capitalise on government incompetence has to be one of the biggest bag drops in Irish political history.
In my opinion it’s due to their position on migration which has turned off their nationalist supporters and driven them to other parties.
Plenty of precedence in Europe of having an anti immigration, pro welfare party that can top the polls
chonkykais16 on
This country will never change -_-
uiuuauiua on
An Irish Times poll favoring FFG? You might as well ask The News Letter in the north to poll for the DUP. Give me a break.
Love that they frame it as a negative for SF when they’re still in the lead as opposition and FG is 5 entire points behind.
This is rubbish and a non-story. People need to stop listening to The Irish Times. They’re bias rubbish for the most part.
John_OSheas_Willy on
There really is no alternative.
If FFG could get tough on crime and immigration then they’d get more votes.
The alternatives are too left wing. Sinead Gibney of Soc Dems was on TV the other night complaining about the ‘giveaway’ budgets saying the budget has increased by 50% since covid while for their alternative budget they proposed massive spend increases, such as raising pension and dole by 25 per week and minimum wage by 2 euro per hour.
>The alternative budget proposed by the Social Democrats would see an additional €16.5 billion in spending next year (the Government has promised €6.4 billion), of which about half would be recurring spending.
WankstainJapsEye on
Where are all the usual comments that say the polls don’t matter because there is no election coming up?
You know the multiples ones that comment that every time the government parties drop in support?
Shhhh_Peaceful on
Sinn Féin’s only consistent position so far has been their support for united Ireland and opposition to the British rule in NI, on every other issue their position changes depending on the latest public opinion polls (the latest transgender controversy is the perfect example). It is very difficult to respect or support a party that does not have an ideological spine.
fuzzfrog on
Very difficult for the opposition when the overall economy is booming. While there are groups deeply disaffected, renters anti immigration etc. People who can’t afford rent or a house do not make a majority of the voters. One persons rent is another person’s income. And a majority are not that concerned about immigration either.
grodgeandgo on
What we really need is another proper centre right party to stick it up to FF/FG, or maybe to create an unbreakable troika of power so we don’t need to vote anymore.
Jokes aside, make the Dail smaller and divest more direct power to Local Authorities, like swiss cantons, but without the same income taxation powers.
Most central departments could benefit from proper decentralisation too, and not just moving the office out of Dublin. I’m talking about putting central gov department teams in Local Authorities. Councils plan towns and growth for communities, but then get hamstrung because the dept of education are too stretched centrally to manage the growth all over the country, same with transport. Decentralise these functions into the councils so they can build and plan houses and the services so they all get built at the same time. Right now it’s cart before horse, because it’s all centralised.
leavemealonethanks on
They are never ever getting voted out.
They have been in power since the state was founded.
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Fuckin incredible isn’t it, in nearly 100 years we’ve never elected a government that wasn’t led by FF or FG, and the way its going it will still be true 100 years from now.
That’s not an endorsement of SF by the way but when you think of the seismic economic, demographic and social changes of the last century and not once have we as a nation opted for anything other than the political status quo. We are the electoral equivalent of people who eat the same sandwich for lunch every day.
Seems Stockholm syndrome is a real thing. Im not sure what’s worse, FF/FG in perpetual government or lack of any real opposition.

At what point does the opposition take heed and change their approach. How many elections and polls will it take.
I know their supporters here will just blame the voters for not voting the way they want them to vote but that strategy really isn’t working either.
Edit: it turns out their supporters and alike *are* here blaming voters for voting the way that they don’t like.
The figures being quoted “since the spring” hardly matter, given the Irish electorate went to the polls in late November. On that ocassion SF got 19% and is still 3 points up on that (although in the GE they were down from 24.5% the last GE), FF got 21.9% and is par (with polls and GE), and FG got 20.8% and is almost 4 points below that (the GE result itself was near par for 2020 election).
Of course, these polling numbers and swings are entirely meaningless. People trooped into the privacy of the ballot box and gave us their true opinion, and some of them returned to moaning about the government in low stakes polling and others are sloshing their votes around between various parties.
This is all just hot air – we’re eight months post election in a five year cycle.
I feel like they shouldn’t get comfortable as support for a party does not represent the full picture.
There are a lot of people who just loathe FF/FG at the moment who will on the day likely vote for the alternative most likely to oust them so rather than supporting another party like SF or the SocDem they will just support whoever can boot FF/FG.
The parties that sit in the middle and hope our problems go away. People vote for local politicians. It’s difficult to vote against them because some are obviously doing good work.
However, the issues we are creating for ourselves could last for generations. Housing, infrastructure, public spending, immigration, etc. We are increasing public spending but not building any infrastructure. Building housing is down to 30k a year, but immigration is 140k a year. No one is making any decisions. And all the important areas of govt seem to be working against each other.
So only 14% think the government is doing a good job of tackling the never-ending crises Ireland faces, but yet their support still remains steady?
I swear to god, it’s actually soul-destroying watching this shit happen every single election. Yes I know in general FF/FG are slowly decreasing their vote share, but considering how unbelievably shite they are, they should both be facing a 2011 FF style collapse. But nope, they’ll be topping the polls in constituency after constituency and we’ll be stuck with another 5 years of the same old same.
I find it helpful to see the figures without undecideds excluded. Here’s the numbers adjusted to include the 25% of voters who are undecided:
* SF: 16.5%
* FF: 16.5%
* FG: 12.75%
* SD: 4.5%
* Aontú: 1.5%
* Labour: 3%
* PBP-S: 1.5%
* Green Party: 2.25%
* Independents & Others: 16.5%
* Undecided: 25%
Well….if you don’t do anything, you can’t do anything wrong. So, congrats to FF/FG I guess…..

I scrolled through the comment section as well as reading the article.
A couple of common themes and questions emerged.
The biggest one was that we have had FF or FG leading governments since the foundation of the state and why don’t the opposition parties cop on and properly challange them?
This is the easiest question of all to answer yet it still confuses some people.
Much of the opposition especially the smaller parties never want to be government, they want to collect their six-figure salaries, brilliant pension and benefits and put on enough of a show and make enough soundbites to get media coverage and get elected the next time around.
Don’t get me wrong sometimes opposition figures make some very good points but they know much of the wealth distribution crap they spout, relaxing citizenship requirements et cetera et cetera just won’t work…… But it sounds good for a soundbite.
Pat Leahy down to salt over this.
SF’s failure to capitalise on government incompetence has to be one of the biggest bag drops in Irish political history.
In my opinion it’s due to their position on migration which has turned off their nationalist supporters and driven them to other parties.
Plenty of precedence in Europe of having an anti immigration, pro welfare party that can top the polls
This country will never change -_-
An Irish Times poll favoring FFG? You might as well ask The News Letter in the north to poll for the DUP. Give me a break.
Love that they frame it as a negative for SF when they’re still in the lead as opposition and FG is 5 entire points behind.
This is rubbish and a non-story. People need to stop listening to The Irish Times. They’re bias rubbish for the most part.
There really is no alternative.
If FFG could get tough on crime and immigration then they’d get more votes.
The alternatives are too left wing. Sinead Gibney of Soc Dems was on TV the other night complaining about the ‘giveaway’ budgets saying the budget has increased by 50% since covid while for their alternative budget they proposed massive spend increases, such as raising pension and dole by 25 per week and minimum wage by 2 euro per hour.
>The alternative budget proposed by the Social Democrats would see an additional €16.5 billion in spending next year (the Government has promised €6.4 billion), of which about half would be recurring spending.
Where are all the usual comments that say the polls don’t matter because there is no election coming up?
You know the multiples ones that comment that every time the government parties drop in support?
Sinn Féin’s only consistent position so far has been their support for united Ireland and opposition to the British rule in NI, on every other issue their position changes depending on the latest public opinion polls (the latest transgender controversy is the perfect example). It is very difficult to respect or support a party that does not have an ideological spine.
Very difficult for the opposition when the overall economy is booming. While there are groups deeply disaffected, renters anti immigration etc. People who can’t afford rent or a house do not make a majority of the voters. One persons rent is another person’s income. And a majority are not that concerned about immigration either.
What we really need is another proper centre right party to stick it up to FF/FG, or maybe to create an unbreakable troika of power so we don’t need to vote anymore.
Jokes aside, make the Dail smaller and divest more direct power to Local Authorities, like swiss cantons, but without the same income taxation powers.
Most central departments could benefit from proper decentralisation too, and not just moving the office out of Dublin. I’m talking about putting central gov department teams in Local Authorities. Councils plan towns and growth for communities, but then get hamstrung because the dept of education are too stretched centrally to manage the growth all over the country, same with transport. Decentralise these functions into the councils so they can build and plan houses and the services so they all get built at the same time. Right now it’s cart before horse, because it’s all centralised.
They are never ever getting voted out.
They have been in power since the state was founded.
This is why they don’t need to fix any issues.