I guess it theoretically can spread via embers, which would make it an open fire. If there’s a sign on the shelter that forbids open fire during wildfire warning, then it most likely is open fire.
Valokoura on
Fire is missing.
Maybe it will appear?
rixxuraxxu on
“An open fire is a fire that can spread through the ground or sparks to other areas. An open fire is defined as a campfire, a Midsummer bonfire, a fire made inside a concrete ring in a barbecue or hut, and disposable grills.”
reiska900 on
yes it is open fire.
Valokoura on
If you are asking because wild fire warning… then it is grey area. Not really because fire itself isn’t in contact with ground. But might be if sparks from fire escape and start a wild fire.
To be safe fire there shouldn’t be a chance for heat up the ground and start fire from that or let sparks escape.
When camping a gas powered fire is easiest but cooking with it is different and it won’t look as nice.
RedSonja_ on
If you lit it, sure
Organic-Tax-6363 on
For sure thats count as open fire
peltorit on
The easiest definition is that if there is no roof and chimney, then it is considered open fire, and therefore forbidden during forest fire warning.
Only exclusion is the fire of a gas grill.
C3P0-Jedi on
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wupaa on
Not before you light it up
Kletronus on
Does the combustion happen in open space? Then it is open. If it happens in a closed space, then it is isn’t open fire. There are more than just sparks flying that is the difference, even thou legally we are only talking about if sparks can spread or not, but the differences do not stop there.
Open fires burn colder and thus create more particles like soot and complex hydrocarbons.. that often are carcinogenic and toxic. Burning in a stove or oven is already better, it burns better IF we provide enough oxygen. Furnaces burn the cleanest.
This is why we can burn our municipal waste, it happens in so high temperatures and high air flows that the compounds break up to elements, that then recombine to form very simple molecules, mainly CO, CO2 and H2O. Gases are recycled, burnt a second time to turn CO to CO2. NOx is scrubbed, particles filtered and what comes out is mainly just CO2 and H2O.
This is also why you should not burn plastic in an open fire: it will not burn cleanly but is one of the worst ways to get rid of it.
BucksheeGunner on
Additional question to this.
Is a gas BBQ classed as an open fire? Or is it something else? I have a portable camping gas grill which I can use. But I’m not burning wood or charcoal, and I have the control to turn it off immediately unlike wood or charcoal. But it’s still technically “an open flame”. So would it fall under the open fire restriction in nature?
Remote_Replacement85 on
As others already said, yes that would be an open fire. But kudos for asking and making sure.
Nvrmnde on
Yes the fire is uncontained and in the open, not contolled inside any stove. The burning wood may shoot sparks and embers into the surroundings and ignite dry, flammable material on the forest floor or trees.
l_point_d_obvious on
Soo much confusion in the comments section, one option could be to identify yourself before open fire
NovelHuge3977 on
Dont mean u cant use that grill. Just be cautious and dont leave it alone, have some water in a bucket nearby to be prepared for the worst
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no actually thatโs just cut up wood and not a fire at all
Maybe. Depends on if there is a hood and chimney or not. Those are not visible here.
Open fire is defined as a fire where there is a risk of fire spreading through ground or sparks. Hood and chimney prevents the sparks.
Good question, to which I don’t have an answer to.
Here’s an official definition for open fire:
https://pelastustoimi.fi/en/home-everyday-life/handling-fire/open-fire
I guess it theoretically can spread via embers, which would make it an open fire. If there’s a sign on the shelter that forbids open fire during wildfire warning, then it most likely is open fire.
Fire is missing.
Maybe it will appear?
“An open fire is a fire that can spread through the ground or sparks to other areas. An open fire is defined as a campfire, a Midsummer bonfire, a fire made inside a concrete ring in a barbecue or hut, and disposable grills.”
yes it is open fire.
If you are asking because wild fire warning… then it is grey area. Not really because fire itself isn’t in contact with ground. But might be if sparks from fire escape and start a wild fire.
To be safe fire there shouldn’t be a chance for heat up the ground and start fire from that or let sparks escape.
When camping a gas powered fire is easiest but cooking with it is different and it won’t look as nice.
If you lit it, sure
For sure thats count as open fire
The easiest definition is that if there is no roof and chimney, then it is considered open fire, and therefore forbidden during forest fire warning.
Only exclusion is the fire of a gas grill.
American High Schools: ๐๏ธ๐๐๏ธ
Not before you light it up
Does the combustion happen in open space? Then it is open. If it happens in a closed space, then it is isn’t open fire. There are more than just sparks flying that is the difference, even thou legally we are only talking about if sparks can spread or not, but the differences do not stop there.
Open fires burn colder and thus create more particles like soot and complex hydrocarbons.. that often are carcinogenic and toxic. Burning in a stove or oven is already better, it burns better IF we provide enough oxygen. Furnaces burn the cleanest.
This is why we can burn our municipal waste, it happens in so high temperatures and high air flows that the compounds break up to elements, that then recombine to form very simple molecules, mainly CO, CO2 and H2O. Gases are recycled, burnt a second time to turn CO to CO2. NOx is scrubbed, particles filtered and what comes out is mainly just CO2 and H2O.
This is also why you should not burn plastic in an open fire: it will not burn cleanly but is one of the worst ways to get rid of it.
Additional question to this.
Is a gas BBQ classed as an open fire? Or is it something else? I have a portable camping gas grill which I can use. But I’m not burning wood or charcoal, and I have the control to turn it off immediately unlike wood or charcoal. But it’s still technically “an open flame”. So would it fall under the open fire restriction in nature?
As others already said, yes that would be an open fire. But kudos for asking and making sure.
Yes the fire is uncontained and in the open, not contolled inside any stove. The burning wood may shoot sparks and embers into the surroundings and ignite dry, flammable material on the forest floor or trees.
Soo much confusion in the comments section, one option could be to identify yourself before open fire
Dont mean u cant use that grill. Just be cautious and dont leave it alone, have some water in a bucket nearby to be prepared for the worst