He is right, the Irish military overall needs more funding and we need more naval ships in the Irish Navy to patrol our waters.
Calm_Procedure4360 on
Did it take him to tell us that? We aren’t neutral, we’re reliant.
Neutral counties can defend themselves, they don’t farm their defence needs out to foreign powers. There’s a reason the Irish government is desperately asking the High Court to not allow anyone to look to look to the existence of “secret” defence agreements.
Faithful-Llama-2210 on
Yup, we need to sort out the retention crisis, and then we need a Multi-Role Vessel and two combat oriented ships
warnie685 on
Hm, so what exactly would be done even if we had the ships? Stop them and ask them for their insurance? How does this help with the sanctions? Would we then need to seize any vessel that doesnt comply? Is that allowed?
And from what I saw on the last thread.. most of these ships seemed to be passing through right on the edge of the Zone.. so they could just travel another 50-100km west and they’d be fine?
So what would be the actual investment needed to keep them out? A few ships patrolling out there? One, two, more?
Regarding the undersea cables if they are so vulnerable then a much bigger security force will be needed to protect them in the cast areas outside of Irish waters.. can we factor that into the cost of any investment in our own Naval Service?
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Asked about what Ireland could do to help tackle the activities of shadow fleet vessels off Ireland, Mr O’Sullivan said “unfortunately I think the Irish Naval Serice is not equipped to be able to deal with this at the present time
Experts have warned that the movement through Irish waters of shadow fleet vessels poses a serious environmental risk and undermines international efforts to isolate Russia’s energy sector which is used to fund the country’s war in Ukraine.
David O’Sullivan accepted there “would, in any event, be limits to what the naval service could do,” to a non-military vessel within an EEZ, before adding “but obviously this pleads, yet again, our vulnerability to this kind of activity, to the risks to undersea cables, and the fact that we really need to beef up our capacity and patrol and police our territorial waters.”
Optimal_Pool9371 on
Completely agree. The Navy’s role extends beyond simple patrolling and incorporates monitoring and deterrence, search and rescue, fisheries enforcement, crisis management (eg. an oil spill from one of those shitty old Russian shadow fleet tankers running around), and countering the trafficking of drugs, weapons and people (watch the illegal arrival of people by sea increase over the next decade as other routes become more restrictive).
ZealousidealFloor2 on
Serious question but I hear a lot about these undersea cables and our obligations to protect them. They are owned by private companies, why don’t these companies stump up to fund the naval service if we are expected to protect their interests?
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He is right, the Irish military overall needs more funding and we need more naval ships in the Irish Navy to patrol our waters.
Did it take him to tell us that? We aren’t neutral, we’re reliant.
Neutral counties can defend themselves, they don’t farm their defence needs out to foreign powers. There’s a reason the Irish government is desperately asking the High Court to not allow anyone to look to look to the existence of “secret” defence agreements.
Yup, we need to sort out the retention crisis, and then we need a Multi-Role Vessel and two combat oriented ships
Hm, so what exactly would be done even if we had the ships? Stop them and ask them for their insurance? How does this help with the sanctions? Would we then need to seize any vessel that doesnt comply? Is that allowed?
And from what I saw on the last thread.. most of these ships seemed to be passing through right on the edge of the Zone.. so they could just travel another 50-100km west and they’d be fine?
So what would be the actual investment needed to keep them out? A few ships patrolling out there? One, two, more?
Regarding the undersea cables if they are so vulnerable then a much bigger security force will be needed to protect them in the cast areas outside of Irish waters.. can we factor that into the cost of any investment in our own Naval Service?
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Asked about what Ireland could do to help tackle the activities of shadow fleet vessels off Ireland, Mr O’Sullivan said “unfortunately I think the Irish Naval Serice is not equipped to be able to deal with this at the present time
Experts have warned that the movement through Irish waters of shadow fleet vessels poses a serious environmental risk and undermines international efforts to isolate Russia’s energy sector which is used to fund the country’s war in Ukraine.
David O’Sullivan accepted there “would, in any event, be limits to what the naval service could do,” to a non-military vessel within an EEZ, before adding “but obviously this pleads, yet again, our vulnerability to this kind of activity, to the risks to undersea cables, and the fact that we really need to beef up our capacity and patrol and police our territorial waters.”
Completely agree. The Navy’s role extends beyond simple patrolling and incorporates monitoring and deterrence, search and rescue, fisheries enforcement, crisis management (eg. an oil spill from one of those shitty old Russian shadow fleet tankers running around), and countering the trafficking of drugs, weapons and people (watch the illegal arrival of people by sea increase over the next decade as other routes become more restrictive).
Serious question but I hear a lot about these undersea cables and our obligations to protect them. They are owned by private companies, why don’t these companies stump up to fund the naval service if we are expected to protect their interests?