Can anyone let me know which ones these are. Asking for research purposes.
blxdstxg on
Which ones? Just so I can make sure to *avoid* them at all costs
Express-Doughnut-562 on
I mean this is the entirely predictable outcome of this law, right? The legitimate sites that enforce regulation and take steps to remove harmful content and exploitation are the ones that kids won’t be able to see.
Instead they get the unregulated, un ethical sites that will likely help fuel abuse and exploitation and expose kids to the most harmful content there is. They operate outside the uk and if one gets blocked they’ll spin up another straight away.
Meanwhile, people have lost access to addiction and domestic abuse websites… It’s an awful law with awful implantation and awful outcomes. It’s doing real harm to people in less than a week and needs repealing ASAP.
JackStrawWitchita on
And a VPN makes 100% of websites available to anyone…
Putrid-Storage-9827 on
Foreign websites are of course going to drag their feet on implementing new measure just for the sake of the British Government, because it costs them money for little benefit.
_HGCenty on
The UK is going to discover how toothless it is at policing the **worldwide** web.
China does it by effectively creating a national level intranet behind its Great Firewall.
Can’t wait for the idiots behind the Online Safety Act to go down this route and suggest a Hadrian’s Firewall for the UK.
If we’re going down the China road, can we at least get all the good stuff like 5G everywhere, high speed rail, infrastructure projects along with the bad stuff? [Heck China even has laws regulating lootboxes in games that our MPs are too old to understand.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loot_box#China)
Groxy_ on
Literally anything that isn’t a huge site is either just blocked or ignoring the rule because the government isn’t going to scrape the internet for obscure sites that might be breaking the porn laws.
64gbBumFunCannon on
Which brave, selfless MP went and found 50 sites, I wonder?
Loreki on
Only 50? That’s pretty good going given there are hundreds of thousands of adult websites.
UnoriginalWebHandle on
There was a news story going around about Discord’s age verification being beaten by a picture of a character from the videogame Death Stranding 2. Took me about 5 minutes to find a porn site that would let me verify with the same picture.
The law is stupid and unworkable, but the fact that they didn’t even come up with a framework to accredit verification services is insane.
ChemicalLifeguard443 on
There are millions of websites hosting porn on the internet. 99% of them will completely ignore this law.
galenwolf on
I can’t wait for MPs and OFCOM to find out about google images and hopefully when they try to threaten Google, Google just says “Fuck off, i’ll crash your entire economy”.
Glittering_Copy8907 on
God, I’m shocked. Foreign companies operating already somewhat controversial sites in “not giving a fuck about what the UK legislation which makes their lives harder” shocker.
Wolf_Cola_91 on
The idea that any teenagers will be unable to circumvent this is hilarious.
Most likely it will just confuse elderly people looking to go on these sites.
Probably some awkward calls to their grandchildren asking them how to do the ‘face thingy’ to get on their websites.
YouFoolWarrenIsDead on
Does anyone know how the UK can force foreign websites to follow their laws? Or would the government have to force ISPs to block non compliant websites instead?
panadwithonesugar on
50 sites!!! Has Jackie Smith been looking at her husbands Internet history?
TastyYellowBees on
“In 2012, estimates of the total number of pornographic websites stood at nearly 25 million comprising about 12% of all the websites.”
That fact alone demonstrates the insanity of attempting to regulate at the individual website level.
The controls should, obviously, be device level – which have been available to parents for over a decade…
GianfrancoZoey on
Reminder that when in opposition Labour criticised the OSB for *not going far enough* and put forward an amendment which would look at the use of VPN’s being used to circumvent the restrictions and take action against them if that were the case.
The framing of this bill as anti-pornography is completely intentional as it ignores the wide variety of other things that are now censured by our government. If you want access you have to send your details to companies with extremely shady backgrounds and links to data mining technofascists like Peter Thiel
HerefordLives on
I guess the ISPs then block the URL? But then they just pop up again.
The rule seems to basically stop thick children from getting on it, while encouraging anyone with basic computer skills to go on less ethical websites.
I think the issue here is the pro-OSB line is simple and popular – ‘kids shouldn’t be able to get onto porn.’ But the implementation doesn’t work. Campaigners need to find a basic line which doesn’t rely on computer knowledge to fight this.
herc6 on
Google images doesn’t verify… you can just turn off the safesearch. This just all seems pretty pointless.
Sszaj on
For anyone actually concerned about this, just remember that Pirate Bay is basically still accessible in the UK, along with most other torrent sites that were “banned”.
Speak_To_Wuk_Lamat on
It’s almost as if some of these sites dont care about laws from other countries.
No_Philosopher2716 on
I was happily surprised when the sites I used had no new verification. Then I was shook with the realization that I’m so far down the gooner hole that they slipped under the radar.
Hellstorm901 on
Unless something big happens which puts egg on the governments face such as a website subject to the OSA getting hacked and having all the users details which were required to be collected by the OSA leaked or a government official is caught using a VPN to circumvent the OSA showing the government has made one rule for us another for itself then the petition isn’t going to really achieve anything
The government has already responded to questions about harm to Free Speech and peoples rights being damaged by the OSA by ridiculously claiming the OSA “Protects peoples freedoms” but then refusing to actually even explain how making it clear the government isn’t remotely interested in discussing repealing the act and has prepared a script it’s going to use in the Commons to dismiss this petition
SufficientWarthog846 on
And for some reason it allows Reddit to censor and require ID for subs about the Israeli war.
Not the Ukrainian war but just the subs that feature footage of the Israeli war in Gaza…….
Yay! Best timeline :S
ThatGuyMaulicious on
Cosplaying 1984’s INGSOC isn’t working out well I see…
limeflavoured on
I did wonder how long it would take for an article like this to turn up.
ZanzibarGuy on
Probably a conscious business decision.
(a) Using the law of averages, they figured there would be a U-turn
(b) As a non-UK website, they give precisely zero fucks and take the view that if the UK doesn’t want people visiting, they can block the site.
(c) They know exactly how many visits they get from UK parliament IP addresses and figure that things can be negotiated (or not, depending on whether parliamentarians raise any (non)blocking as an issue).
MasterLogic on
The safety checks themselves are a load of crap.
You can use a random fake email address with no age check.
I’ve took a photo of a drivers licence I’ve found on Google images and it worked.
I’ve seen people use Norman Reedus in death standing to do the “look your age check”
I’ve seen people use Ai videos to get access.
Almost every browser has free vpn extensions, so you can just turn it on, access the site and browse like usual.
And half the websites I use don’t even have the checks, any child with an iq above 10 will be able to navigate around these checks within seconds.
The only thing this does is make it difficult for legit users, because some kid is going to hack these lists and find that John Smith from Salisbury likes searching for Big titty teens and get cancelled faster than a ceo at a cold play concert.
A complete waste of time and you’ve got to be a right fool to sign up using your real details that’ll be stored on a database forever.
DufaqIsDis on
Can we pass a law that requires MP’s to verify they aren’t in fact all coked up while on the job?
Wildarf on
I’m confused as to why this is needed. Aren’t ISPs already supposed to block mature content in the UK? You are supposed to verify your age (typically with a credit card) to unlock these sites. So, if a parent unlocks this, it’s really on them. This point is something I haven’t seen being brought up anywhere.
South_Leek_5730 on
Who could have foreseen sites hosting porn based outside the UK with no presence in the UK and no way for them to be fined in the UK would ignore the age verification in the UK?
ShambolicPaulThe2nd on
More than 50 is hilarious. There are thousands upon thousands. Anything registered in Russia for starters. It’s gonna be hilarious watching them play whack a mole with endless expensive court cases trying to shut down pornsite.xxx. Just for them to reopen hours later as pornsite.xyz and they have to start all over again prosecuting it.
AlloysRS on
Yep, can’t access the hub or Reddit, however you can go on 4chan or extreme porn sites. The act does the opposite of protecting kids, it will push kids to more extreme platforms.
ash_ninetyone on
Would these just rather geofence and block UK access rather than do age verification? Given the legal fallout that would happen (has happened, like with the Tea website) where it turns out verification data wasn’t deleted as outlined in policy, etc, and it caused public data loss.
VPNs would work around that, and it blocked to the UK would, I thought, make it be in compliance. The only way to then deal with that would be if the government brough VPNs in scope. I’d imagine that to go down like a lead balloon
I’ve had to use VPNs when in NI, because some ISP/access points geolocate me to the Republic, stopping me accessing some streaming services properly.
Alklazaris on
Florida resident here. We had a similar law passed months ago and they’re still websites that don’t ask for verification. Maybe it’s hard to enforce?
Signal-Initial-7841 on
Massive unwanted government overreach that can easily be bypassed by VPN just because couple of parents were too lazy to do their jobs.
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Can anyone let me know which ones these are. Asking for research purposes.
Which ones? Just so I can make sure to *avoid* them at all costs
I mean this is the entirely predictable outcome of this law, right? The legitimate sites that enforce regulation and take steps to remove harmful content and exploitation are the ones that kids won’t be able to see.
Instead they get the unregulated, un ethical sites that will likely help fuel abuse and exploitation and expose kids to the most harmful content there is. They operate outside the uk and if one gets blocked they’ll spin up another straight away.
Meanwhile, people have lost access to addiction and domestic abuse websites… It’s an awful law with awful implantation and awful outcomes. It’s doing real harm to people in less than a week and needs repealing ASAP.
And a VPN makes 100% of websites available to anyone…
Foreign websites are of course going to drag their feet on implementing new measure just for the sake of the British Government, because it costs them money for little benefit.
The UK is going to discover how toothless it is at policing the **worldwide** web.
China does it by effectively creating a national level intranet behind its Great Firewall.
Can’t wait for the idiots behind the Online Safety Act to go down this route and suggest a Hadrian’s Firewall for the UK.
If we’re going down the China road, can we at least get all the good stuff like 5G everywhere, high speed rail, infrastructure projects along with the bad stuff? [Heck China even has laws regulating lootboxes in games that our MPs are too old to understand.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loot_box#China)
Literally anything that isn’t a huge site is either just blocked or ignoring the rule because the government isn’t going to scrape the internet for obscure sites that might be breaking the porn laws.
Which brave, selfless MP went and found 50 sites, I wonder?
Only 50? That’s pretty good going given there are hundreds of thousands of adult websites.
There was a news story going around about Discord’s age verification being beaten by a picture of a character from the videogame Death Stranding 2. Took me about 5 minutes to find a porn site that would let me verify with the same picture.
The law is stupid and unworkable, but the fact that they didn’t even come up with a framework to accredit verification services is insane.
There are millions of websites hosting porn on the internet. 99% of them will completely ignore this law.
I can’t wait for MPs and OFCOM to find out about google images and hopefully when they try to threaten Google, Google just says “Fuck off, i’ll crash your entire economy”.
God, I’m shocked. Foreign companies operating already somewhat controversial sites in “not giving a fuck about what the UK legislation which makes their lives harder” shocker.
The idea that any teenagers will be unable to circumvent this is hilarious.
Most likely it will just confuse elderly people looking to go on these sites.
Probably some awkward calls to their grandchildren asking them how to do the ‘face thingy’ to get on their websites.
Does anyone know how the UK can force foreign websites to follow their laws? Or would the government have to force ISPs to block non compliant websites instead?
50 sites!!! Has Jackie Smith been looking at her husbands Internet history?
“In 2012, estimates of the total number of pornographic websites stood at nearly 25 million comprising about 12% of all the websites.”
That fact alone demonstrates the insanity of attempting to regulate at the individual website level.
The controls should, obviously, be device level – which have been available to parents for over a decade…
Reminder that when in opposition Labour criticised the OSB for *not going far enough* and put forward an amendment which would look at the use of VPN’s being used to circumvent the restrictions and take action against them if that were the case.
The framing of this bill as anti-pornography is completely intentional as it ignores the wide variety of other things that are now censured by our government. If you want access you have to send your details to companies with extremely shady backgrounds and links to data mining technofascists like Peter Thiel
I guess the ISPs then block the URL? But then they just pop up again.
The rule seems to basically stop thick children from getting on it, while encouraging anyone with basic computer skills to go on less ethical websites.
I think the issue here is the pro-OSB line is simple and popular – ‘kids shouldn’t be able to get onto porn.’ But the implementation doesn’t work. Campaigners need to find a basic line which doesn’t rely on computer knowledge to fight this.
Google images doesn’t verify… you can just turn off the safesearch. This just all seems pretty pointless.
For anyone actually concerned about this, just remember that Pirate Bay is basically still accessible in the UK, along with most other torrent sites that were “banned”.
It’s almost as if some of these sites dont care about laws from other countries.
I was happily surprised when the sites I used had no new verification. Then I was shook with the realization that I’m so far down the gooner hole that they slipped under the radar.
Unless something big happens which puts egg on the governments face such as a website subject to the OSA getting hacked and having all the users details which were required to be collected by the OSA leaked or a government official is caught using a VPN to circumvent the OSA showing the government has made one rule for us another for itself then the petition isn’t going to really achieve anything
The government has already responded to questions about harm to Free Speech and peoples rights being damaged by the OSA by ridiculously claiming the OSA “Protects peoples freedoms” but then refusing to actually even explain how making it clear the government isn’t remotely interested in discussing repealing the act and has prepared a script it’s going to use in the Commons to dismiss this petition
And for some reason it allows Reddit to censor and require ID for subs about the Israeli war.
Not the Ukrainian war but just the subs that feature footage of the Israeli war in Gaza…….
Yay! Best timeline :S
Cosplaying 1984’s INGSOC isn’t working out well I see…
I did wonder how long it would take for an article like this to turn up.
Probably a conscious business decision.
(a) Using the law of averages, they figured there would be a U-turn
(b) As a non-UK website, they give precisely zero fucks and take the view that if the UK doesn’t want people visiting, they can block the site.
(c) They know exactly how many visits they get from UK parliament IP addresses and figure that things can be negotiated (or not, depending on whether parliamentarians raise any (non)blocking as an issue).
The safety checks themselves are a load of crap.
You can use a random fake email address with no age check.
I’ve took a photo of a drivers licence I’ve found on Google images and it worked.
I’ve seen people use Norman Reedus in death standing to do the “look your age check”
I’ve seen people use Ai videos to get access.
Almost every browser has free vpn extensions, so you can just turn it on, access the site and browse like usual.
And half the websites I use don’t even have the checks, any child with an iq above 10 will be able to navigate around these checks within seconds.
The only thing this does is make it difficult for legit users, because some kid is going to hack these lists and find that John Smith from Salisbury likes searching for Big titty teens and get cancelled faster than a ceo at a cold play concert.
A complete waste of time and you’ve got to be a right fool to sign up using your real details that’ll be stored on a database forever.
Can we pass a law that requires MP’s to verify they aren’t in fact all coked up while on the job?
I’m confused as to why this is needed. Aren’t ISPs already supposed to block mature content in the UK? You are supposed to verify your age (typically with a credit card) to unlock these sites. So, if a parent unlocks this, it’s really on them. This point is something I haven’t seen being brought up anywhere.
Who could have foreseen sites hosting porn based outside the UK with no presence in the UK and no way for them to be fined in the UK would ignore the age verification in the UK?
More than 50 is hilarious. There are thousands upon thousands. Anything registered in Russia for starters. It’s gonna be hilarious watching them play whack a mole with endless expensive court cases trying to shut down pornsite.xxx. Just for them to reopen hours later as pornsite.xyz and they have to start all over again prosecuting it.
Yep, can’t access the hub or Reddit, however you can go on 4chan or extreme porn sites. The act does the opposite of protecting kids, it will push kids to more extreme platforms.
Would these just rather geofence and block UK access rather than do age verification? Given the legal fallout that would happen (has happened, like with the Tea website) where it turns out verification data wasn’t deleted as outlined in policy, etc, and it caused public data loss.
VPNs would work around that, and it blocked to the UK would, I thought, make it be in compliance. The only way to then deal with that would be if the government brough VPNs in scope. I’d imagine that to go down like a lead balloon
I’ve had to use VPNs when in NI, because some ISP/access points geolocate me to the Republic, stopping me accessing some streaming services properly.
Florida resident here. We had a similar law passed months ago and they’re still websites that don’t ask for verification. Maybe it’s hard to enforce?
Massive unwanted government overreach that can easily be bypassed by VPN just because couple of parents were too lazy to do their jobs.