“Rischiamo di lasciarci alle spalle un’intera generazione di giovani uomini”: Bath MP chiama per aiutare “Lost Boys” che si innamora dell’educazione
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Don’t worry this will all be resolved by mandatory toxic masculinity repentance sessions.
I guess when a lot of people don’t see education as a way of getting ahead in life, there will be a lot of apathy about it.
This has been going on for decades. Usually when this is brought up you get a lot of people posting things like “They don’t want to learn! They don’t care! The parents are useless!” which is very similar to what racists used to say about BAME people
We are now living in an age where young boys want to grow up to be andrew tate, or an influencer, or a streamer, or whatever they are.
These young boys are not living in reality. The Internet and social media is warping them.
At some point you have to accept there is a systemic issue at play. I feel people get too hung up on intentionality when it comes to systemic issues. No one may have had intention to negatively impact young men but the evidence is there that it is.
Has anyone thought of constantly telling boys that they are stupid, good-for-nothing, violent, misogynist sex offenders? I reckon if we did this often and loud enough it would get them on-side and thus solve everything.
It’s not surprising.
Studies have shown that boys tend to get treated harsher than girls at school, and we live in an age where they’re bombarded with how they’re all rapists in the making and need lessons on “toxic masculinity” etc. is it any wonder some just give up on their education and potentially turn towards bellends like Andrew Tate et al?
Been the same way for 30 years. Every government has consistently done nothing.
I think there are a lot less jobs for working class boys now (that aren’t massively academic)
I’m from Tyneside, and my ancestors that were from round here were shipbuilders, coal miners, millworkers. Those jobs are gone. Some of the jobs that are left are more like beautician, early years educator. I’m not saying men can’t do these jobs because they can, but most wouldn’t want to. They often seem to either end up dealing drugs, on the dole or working cash in hand. Tradies do seem to do well but apprenticeships are quite competitive
Also a lot of men seem to think if they aren’t the top, they must be the bottom so why bother. Women seem a bit more content to accept if they are average.
So obviously if you see not a lot of jobs that really appeal to you, you aren’t super academic and you aren’t going to become the next big streamer – why bother?
The service jobs in the UK are not what guys do best in. Guys like using their muscles or solving challenging problems or innovating. The UK has sitting on a computer inside Excel spreadsheets, team meetings, care work, and other such tasks that are not interesting to most guys.
No one wants to actually deal with causes though-neither the left or the right.
Boys language develops slower than girls on average—they start school behind the girls and then learn it isn’t for them/they struggle…so opt out/act up/give less effort…this leads to societal beliefs which then influence how the next generation are raised*
*see for example other cultures where their boys do as well or better than white British girls (so it’s a culture thing not just an inherent sex difference)
We need an entire cultural shift on attitudes to education (look at any thread on education/school and you’ll get statements from ‘it’s a waste of time’ to ‘I learned everything on the internet with no input from schools’)…this also needs to have big economic changes so that education has a financial benefit
There might even need be changes to the education of the sexes so it’s different (boys getting more skills lessons early on to help develop their language more)**
**as it currently stands the benefits of same sex schooling are pretty minuscule for both males and females
I feel like we should just educate our little boy ourselves. Schools aren’t in a great place right now.
It’s not as simple as saying that boys are being left behind though. Children, boys and girls, from wealthy backgrounds do well at school regardless of race. Asian children, boys and girls, do well at school.
The disparity seems to start kicking in for white and black working class boys, indicating that it isn’t the state of being male that is the issue. Working class girls do better, but also don’t do as well as their richer counterparts or those from cultures who place more value on education.
I’m a working class kid and getting an education has put me in a lot better situation than my own parents were in. But my parents wanted me to continue to study even if that world was alien to them. A lot of poorer kids don’t get that support and it’s compounded for boys who get told it’s weird or girly to read or to hold certain interests.
Every kid should get a chance at a decent education but we need to be more positive about education for its own sake – for boys and for girls regardless of background. Simply blaming schools for allegedly favouring girls misses the mark.
We’ve known for decades that white working class boys are consistently the lowest performing demographic.
But due to DEI initiatives being weighted heavily in favour of skin colour and cultural background the issue hasn’t been addressed.
Just as much effort should be put into focussing DEI at low socioeconomic cohorts to enable social mobility and achievement.
I can’t help but wonder thinking back to school, girls on average dominated the higher sets, but the highest achievers seemed to be boys at my school! It’s like boys get pushed to the extremes – either exceptional or a lost cause (academically).
At least this applies to STEM subjects where the top guys seemed to outperform girls in class, olympiads etc. One is now a professor of mathematics at Oxford.
I’m not upset that this MP has raised this issue. Politicians should be treating it as a national crisis. What upsets me, however, is that there is no risk. Generations of boys have been lost for the last 30 years. How out of touch do you have to be to think there’s a risk of boys being left behind, when actually they’ve been left behind for decades? I swear middle age people have no idea how bad it is – no idea at all. That’s why they’re baffled young men/boys are joining the far-right – they haven’t been paying attention.
I’m sure this will get addressed once someone finds a way that this disproportionately negatively affects women.
Successive governments have been turning their nose up at working class men for decades, and now they’re scrambling because Reform has crept up on them when the warning signs have been there for a very long time.
We should start by introducing an law which prevents them from accessing knowledge and entertainment online. That’ll help them loads.
Thread about differences in educational putcomes by genders, and yet…
The comments immediately flooded with people asserting that boys are told they’re wrong just for existing, told they’re sex offenders etc.
This is simply untrue and the people saying that boys are being browbeaten are the ones actually making young men feel like victims. It is part of a pipeline to make boys and men feel angry, and then direct that anger at women and minorities. Is it insidious and twists the very core of “not all men” because what these people want is “actually yes most men feel angry at women”. I am a man. I am disgusted by what you are doing to my gender and how you are twisting young people to feel bad about themselves and to hate others.
Boys and men are being targeted and exploited, but it isn’t by feminists. It’s by the Tate fans, the incels, the Bannons and the Farages who want to recruit support and milk money.
And meanwhile, boys will continue to do badly at school, and girls and women will be harassed, because the evidence based causes of these issues won’t be discussed and addressed.
Have you tried calling them all misogynistic bigots and treating them like defective girls? That usually works, right?
Leaving? I’m nearly 30.
They left us behind a long time ago.
I have absolutely no faith in our political establishment or their virtue signalling of morals, I can’t see why it would be any different for these lads.
Family member was a teacher 25 year’s basically gave it up a couple of months ago.
The teachers in his school begged for some of discipline.
Everytime they reprimanded a kid they got into trouble. Most occasions the parents backed up the kid even if the kid was in the wrong.
I want to say it is a lack of discipline from parents and kids but that is not a thing these days.
Also the men before failed to protect the system for the boys. Don’t expect the boys to be stakeholders in society if they don’t get what every previous generation got.