Gli stagisti di servizio civile devono essere una classe operaia, afferma il governo
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3ez3v9v8jqo
di Alive-Turnip-3145
Gli stagisti di servizio civile devono essere una classe operaia, afferma il governo
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3ez3v9v8jqo
di Alive-Turnip-3145
24 commenti
> Government makes better decisions when it represents and understands the people we serve.
> Currently around a quarter of higher education students are from a lower socio-economic background, but the group represented only 12% of successful applicants to the Fast Stream in 2024.
> the intake will be restricted only to students from poorer backgrounds.
To eliminate any doubt – _”Labours”_ fix will be to have students from 25% of the population represent 100% of the internships – cause if you’re not working class.. Labour thinks you’re scum.
Hardworking student, with straight distinctions & extra curricular charity work? Dad was teacher, Doctor, Policemen or middle manager – YOU ARE NOT WELCOME.
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Sounds like an improvement, the fast stream has historically favoured middle and higher income groups.
The article is pretty bad journalism, it describes it being restricted to a “main internship scheme” implying other internship routes exist.
What job makes you from a “lower socio-economic background”?
Perhaps paying a proper wage for internships should be part of the answer.
How is the not illegal? A 14 year old middle class kid has as much control over their start in life as a 14 year old working class kid.
I do not disagree with the motivation but positive discrimination is just as unfair as discrimination. They should put more effort into promoting education in working class communities, especially white ones, rather that just giving working class graduates an easy ride.
Oh FFS. Labour can’t even define what a working person is nevermind an entire class of them.
I have no problem with the intention. It’s just poorly thought of, they’re defining “lower-socio economic background” by the job your parents did when you grew up.
You must’ve all ticked those diversity data collection questions on a job application before. Essentially what they’re saying here is if a parent went to uni and had a traditional job as a result of that you are not working class, which is ridiculous. There are millions of people like this whose parents are extremely poor. It’s a poor definition.
Getting an education and getting a job does not mean you are not working class in 2025. That’s the most outdated way of categorising socio economic backgrounds.
If they really wanted to make it from lower socio economic backgrounds they need to do it by household income but I suspect that’s illegal!
Can someone actually define what working class is?
If my dad was a brick layer with 10 years experience earning the same amount as an office manager then what makes me working class and their kids not?
Does growing up on a council estate make me working class? I did actually grow up on council estates.
Is it how much my parents earned? The school I went to? If I know all the words to Pulps classic Common People?
How many people class themselves as working class these days because they struggle financially?
Interns are generally graduates. Graduates usually come from wealthier backgrounds especially these days with the costs involved. Therefore the only way to diversify the civil service is to drop the graduate requirement. Is that a good idea? I don’t know.
Is this just posture politics with no real benefit and an unachievable aim? Who knows.
“A working class hero is something to be”
Why don’t they say anyone named:
Chardonnay, Chanel, Lexus, Chantelle-demi, anything else-Demi, Zyvonne, Krystle, Tula, Mercedes, Africa, India, Liberty.
Blue, Junior, Prince, Kyle, Kane (kayne), Damon, Damien, Guy.
GCSE grades between 0-3
Must’ve 10,000 negative behavioural points from school. Will consider exclusions and suspensions.
Can apply.
Uniform all black plus ski mask.
I don’t think people in this thread understand just how miserable and limiting growing up in poverty is.
> The main internship scheme designed to attract university students to the civil service will now only be available for students from “lower socio-economic backgrounds”, judged by what jobs their parents did when they were 14.
An easy policy to announce.
On the purely practical level, what is the application form for the internship going to ask:
* *”What social level of job did your primary caregivers do when you were 14?”*
Everyone picks working class.
* *”Select the type of job from this list…”*
Everyone selects unemployed
* *”Enter into this text box the job title held by…”* Far too subjective and too much work to process at an individual level.
Obvious issues:
1. There’s never going to be verification of submitted info, and applicants are being told in advance ‘tick this box if you want to be included’. We’re going to see some comical scenes where someone goes into an interview and is accused of lying that their father was a tool-maker.
2. I’m certain that there’d be plenty of arguments about whether ‘office worker’ and ‘nurse’ are working class, while ‘office manager’ and ‘nursing manager’ are middle.
3. You can tick ‘unemployed’ for an unemployed Doctor
This isn’t just performative, it’s also painfully difficult to implement in any sort of fair way.
Ok great , now please provide a work definition of working class that recruitment managers can use to apply this. Oh you can’t , well stop saying such stupid things then
I understand this intention behind this bit in my opinion this needs to be tackled earlier. Get working class children interested in going to university and pursuing a career in the civil service. Discriminating against 75% of the university population doesn’t sit right with me
Most suitable person for the role regardless of race, name, gender, class, religion.
Next they are gonna say that Civil service interns must not be transgender
What a dumb idea. You should want the best people for the job regardless of anything. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are some legal challenges to this
Yet more nanny state, social engineering, diversity BS from our communist leaders.
Nobody is working class any more.
For working class read: “lazy labour scumbag”
The public sector is perfect for the working class. Great job security, generally down to earth working environments.
Working class and living in London, is a bit of a paradox with how expensive the city has become, would need to provide housing otherwise you’ll only be recruiting londoners
They will need to be paid on the understanding that they wont have a partner to cover costs, and they dont have bank of mum and dad. They’ll have to pay a proper wage otherwise they wont get any applicants from the working class.
Concern about unpaid internships in media and politics was raised under a previous Conservative Government. Only those from wealthier backgrounds can be supported to work for free. There’s the added element of people from less well off backgrounds not having the pathfinders or role models to even make them aware of these opportunities, or how best to navigate applying for them. More internships are paid now, but this hasn’t delivered as wide a variety of people as desired. Labour and the government are frequently accused of becoming detached from working class people, something the Farage’s of this world seek to exploit. This may be clumsy, but it’s a Summer work scheme, it seems. Better to get able applicants from a variety of backgrounds, than rely on a body of entrants drawn almost exclusively from fee paying schools. If they want to apply post graduation for a permanent role, selection will still be on merit.
I think a lot of people are missing that this isn’t jobs in general but *internships* which are specifically aimed at widening the range of people who get into civil service and climb the ladder. This incidentally means they could do similar things based on protected characteristics – you can’t have a substantitive job that discriminates but internships can count as positive action.
I was on the civil service fast stream, which was very Oxbridgey, and we got a ‘diversity intern’ who was from an ethnic minority background – and privately educated and partway through a course at Oxford.
She was absolutely fantastic at the job fwiw. But if you want to make the fast stream (and through that the higher ranks of the civil service) more diverse, a socioeconomic angle makes sense to me. And I do think there’s a middle class quality to civil service that can add to groupthink. (Ironically for people who see this policy as ‘woke’, I found the few working class fast streamers often were often the least ‘woke’)
That said class is quite hard to set fair/clear definitions for so inevitably you’re either going to exclude some people that most would consider working class or include some most wouldn’t.