*According to the complaint, the staff member politely asked if the pair, who were hoping to schedule a bra fitting, needed help in finding the right part of the store.*
I’m sure this mother would’ve been perfectly happy if a trans man had directed them instead.
Snaidheadair on
>“This is obviously the case: he is at least 6ft 2in tall.”
So women can’t be tall anymore? The woman complaining just honestly sounds like an arse.
WebDevWarrior on
From the original telegraph article:
>The mother, **who asked to remain anonymous** asked that the retailer would implement a policy to ensure that transgender staff would not approach young women. It is understood that the staff member involved works across the clothing section as well as other parts of the shop **and is not one of the staff who carry out bra fittings**.
And there it is. Just a regular member of staff, not someone doing sensitive fittings, not going into “women’s only spaces” – they were just on the shop floor offering to assist people with their purchases. The woman in question basically saw a trans person and decided to be a bigot and got outraged that they existed because reasons.
M&S shouldn’t have apologised. All the customer needed to say is “no thanks” if they didn’t want to interact, not be a cunt and whail and complain that *gasp* a trans person offered to help them and they need immediate apologies for made-up trauma. If they were that proud of what they did – why remain anonymous.
ArchdukeToes on
So it wasn’t that they were helping with the bra fitting – but they simply told them *where to go*? Why in the world is M&S apologising for one of its staff daring to be helpful and polite?
The woman sounds like an colossal prick and M&S needs to grow a spine.
Striking_Smile6594 on
This is just silly. Imagine taking umbrage at a trans person working in a shop and asking you if you need assistance?
strawbebbymilkshake on
Ok. Let’s swap things/indulge the transphobe and say this was a man, since the mother clearly views this (allegedly trans) employee as a man.
A man who works in a shop approaches a woman and her teenage daughter and asks if they need help finding the right section of the shop.
How is that a problem? It’s not. He doesn’t know you’re there for bras and he doesn’t care. Should men be prevented from approaching women in shops to offer help now? Since the issue seems to be that the mother views this trans individual as a man, does that mean all men are too dangerous to be allowed to work in shops where young women might be present?
“We can always tell” brigade labelling someone trans because they’re over 6ft remains embarrassing too. Trans or not, this woman committed the crime of being tall and offering to help a customer at her job. Jesus Christ.
M&S are cowards for this apology too. There’s nothing to apologise for
noodlesandpizza on
> The mother said the response wasn’t “sufficient” and fell “significantly short” of what she expected.
Just to confirm what happened here, two customers who were looking around M&S were approached by a shop employee. One of the customers assumed this employee is a trans woman based on her height. (Some women who aren’t trans are tall, but whatever). Employee asks the two if they need help finding anything. Customer is so deeply upset that someone she believes is transgender dared to ask her the most basic customer service question in history behind “do you want a receipt” that when M&S personally apologised to her for allowing this injustice to occur, it’s not enough.
Edited to add after I found out: JK Rowling is tweeting saying that the employee offered to fit the customer’s teenage daughter’s bra personally (source: her arse. This is a lie.) and calling her/implying she is a paedophile.
Optimism_Deficit on
> She urged the retailer to implement a policy to ensure transgender members of staff stayed away from young women, to preserve the “safety and dignity of women and girls”.
Jeaus. This harpy thinks it should be store policy that trans people shouldn’t even speak to women.
fire2burn on
Why is M&S apologising to some snotty nosed cunt for? Should have just told the complainer to fuck off.
We have a bizarre problem in this country where people/companies will bend over backwards to apologise to others even when they’re wrong.
WelshBluebird1 on
Ignoring the hideous transphobia for a second, the thing that is making my head spin is terfs on twitter acting like retail staff asking if you need help isn’t a standard part of going shopping! Last I checked we had a shared annoyance about the practice and know just to say “no thanks”!
OdinForce22 on
So an employee who may or may not be transgender offers assistance to find the correct part of a store and has no other interaction with the customers.
What the fuck is going on that means this complaint warrants an apology?
Absolutely pathetic from M&S.
710733 on
The way people are taking about this online you’d think that the member of staff forced her way into the changing rooms to do a bra fitting.
But no, this is another episode in the British public Blowing everything out of proportion to make it impossible for trans people to exist in public
Ver_Void on
If you ever want to see just how much damage social media can do to the brain go look at JK Rowling and the sex matters “leadership” tweeting about this
Tricky_Peace on
I mean I can understand a young girl not wanting a trans individual conduct a bra fitting, but an employee just asking if they needed help or directions? Sorry that’s pure hate. I have no time for that
Mantonization on
This story makes me mad as hell
I guaran-fucking-tee you that the only thing the daughter was distressed over was her mum being such a bigot
It’s people like her that make the phrase ‘protecting women and girls’ such a red flag
Dark_Akarin on
So much for supporting LGBTQ+. Pretty sure they were flying flags in June.
Flux_Aeternal on
This is a completely disgusting response from M+S and I won’t be shopping there any more. It’s a clearly vexatious complaint. They weren’t even in a gender segregated part of the store, there would be absolutely no problem with a cis male member of staff offering to help them and there are men in this part of the store. There is no reasonable good-faith complaint against what the staff member did. The complaint is literally just that trans people exist and have the nerve to speak to decent normal folk. For M+S to not strongly defend the basic human dignity and right to exist of their own staff is appalling.
Broccoli--Enthusiast on
Guess we boycott M&S now
Fuck that woman and fuck the company for apologising
This country is becoming more disgusting by the today and everyone now seems ready to bend over for the bigots
spacebatangeldragon8 on
Aside from everything else, if we organised society on the basis of who teenage girls consider “freaks” we would achieve a degree of fascistic panopticon that would make Mussolini blush.
ZanzibarGuy on
If anyone wants to email them and tell them how wrong they are, it would appear that corporate.press@marks-and-spencer.com is one of the only semi-relevant addresses available to contact them through.
I’m only sending an email because if they don’t get any messages about this they’ll simply assume this is the way forward for any future incidents.
PersistentWorld on
Fairly sure that’s the last time I shop at M&S. I’m just so fucking sick of companies being awful.
GhostRiders on
Fuck M&S for apologising to this piece of shit.
They should of simply of told her that she is a valuable member of staff and if she is against Trans People she is welcome to take her prejudice and shop elsewhere.
CrispoClumbo on
Fuck M&S for apologising.
This will genuinely make me think twice about buying anything from M&S ever again. They should be supporting their employees, not pandering to fucking bigoted cunts.
AdRealistic4984 on
Only country in the developed world that “won’t someone think of the children?!” goes down completely unironically and without question
Vaxtez on
Who the hell cares if a person helping you is Trans or not? They’re doing a job, no need to get all ragey because the M&S worker is Transgender. That staff member needs the apology from M&S; not the bloody customer.
windmillguy123 on
M&S should have called out the bigot and politely asked them to never return
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*According to the complaint, the staff member politely asked if the pair, who were hoping to schedule a bra fitting, needed help in finding the right part of the store.*
I’m sure this mother would’ve been perfectly happy if a trans man had directed them instead.
>“This is obviously the case: he is at least 6ft 2in tall.”
So women can’t be tall anymore? The woman complaining just honestly sounds like an arse.
From the original telegraph article:
>The mother, **who asked to remain anonymous** asked that the retailer would implement a policy to ensure that transgender staff would not approach young women. It is understood that the staff member involved works across the clothing section as well as other parts of the shop **and is not one of the staff who carry out bra fittings**.
And there it is. Just a regular member of staff, not someone doing sensitive fittings, not going into “women’s only spaces” – they were just on the shop floor offering to assist people with their purchases. The woman in question basically saw a trans person and decided to be a bigot and got outraged that they existed because reasons.
M&S shouldn’t have apologised. All the customer needed to say is “no thanks” if they didn’t want to interact, not be a cunt and whail and complain that *gasp* a trans person offered to help them and they need immediate apologies for made-up trauma. If they were that proud of what they did – why remain anonymous.
So it wasn’t that they were helping with the bra fitting – but they simply told them *where to go*? Why in the world is M&S apologising for one of its staff daring to be helpful and polite?
The woman sounds like an colossal prick and M&S needs to grow a spine.
This is just silly. Imagine taking umbrage at a trans person working in a shop and asking you if you need assistance?
Ok. Let’s swap things/indulge the transphobe and say this was a man, since the mother clearly views this (allegedly trans) employee as a man.
A man who works in a shop approaches a woman and her teenage daughter and asks if they need help finding the right section of the shop.
How is that a problem? It’s not. He doesn’t know you’re there for bras and he doesn’t care. Should men be prevented from approaching women in shops to offer help now? Since the issue seems to be that the mother views this trans individual as a man, does that mean all men are too dangerous to be allowed to work in shops where young women might be present?
“We can always tell” brigade labelling someone trans because they’re over 6ft remains embarrassing too. Trans or not, this woman committed the crime of being tall and offering to help a customer at her job. Jesus Christ.
M&S are cowards for this apology too. There’s nothing to apologise for
> The mother said the response wasn’t “sufficient” and fell “significantly short” of what she expected.
Just to confirm what happened here, two customers who were looking around M&S were approached by a shop employee. One of the customers assumed this employee is a trans woman based on her height. (Some women who aren’t trans are tall, but whatever). Employee asks the two if they need help finding anything. Customer is so deeply upset that someone she believes is transgender dared to ask her the most basic customer service question in history behind “do you want a receipt” that when M&S personally apologised to her for allowing this injustice to occur, it’s not enough.
Edited to add after I found out: JK Rowling is tweeting saying that the employee offered to fit the customer’s teenage daughter’s bra personally (source: her arse. This is a lie.) and calling her/implying she is a paedophile.
> She urged the retailer to implement a policy to ensure transgender members of staff stayed away from young women, to preserve the “safety and dignity of women and girls”.
Jeaus. This harpy thinks it should be store policy that trans people shouldn’t even speak to women.
Why is M&S apologising to some snotty nosed cunt for? Should have just told the complainer to fuck off.
We have a bizarre problem in this country where people/companies will bend over backwards to apologise to others even when they’re wrong.
Ignoring the hideous transphobia for a second, the thing that is making my head spin is terfs on twitter acting like retail staff asking if you need help isn’t a standard part of going shopping! Last I checked we had a shared annoyance about the practice and know just to say “no thanks”!
So an employee who may or may not be transgender offers assistance to find the correct part of a store and has no other interaction with the customers.
What the fuck is going on that means this complaint warrants an apology?
Absolutely pathetic from M&S.
The way people are taking about this online you’d think that the member of staff forced her way into the changing rooms to do a bra fitting.
But no, this is another episode in the British public Blowing everything out of proportion to make it impossible for trans people to exist in public
If you ever want to see just how much damage social media can do to the brain go look at JK Rowling and the sex matters “leadership” tweeting about this
I mean I can understand a young girl not wanting a trans individual conduct a bra fitting, but an employee just asking if they needed help or directions? Sorry that’s pure hate. I have no time for that
This story makes me mad as hell
I guaran-fucking-tee you that the only thing the daughter was distressed over was her mum being such a bigot
It’s people like her that make the phrase ‘protecting women and girls’ such a red flag
So much for supporting LGBTQ+. Pretty sure they were flying flags in June.
This is a completely disgusting response from M+S and I won’t be shopping there any more. It’s a clearly vexatious complaint. They weren’t even in a gender segregated part of the store, there would be absolutely no problem with a cis male member of staff offering to help them and there are men in this part of the store. There is no reasonable good-faith complaint against what the staff member did. The complaint is literally just that trans people exist and have the nerve to speak to decent normal folk. For M+S to not strongly defend the basic human dignity and right to exist of their own staff is appalling.
Guess we boycott M&S now
Fuck that woman and fuck the company for apologising
This country is becoming more disgusting by the today and everyone now seems ready to bend over for the bigots
Aside from everything else, if we organised society on the basis of who teenage girls consider “freaks” we would achieve a degree of fascistic panopticon that would make Mussolini blush.
If anyone wants to email them and tell them how wrong they are, it would appear that corporate.press@marks-and-spencer.com is one of the only semi-relevant addresses available to contact them through.
I’m only sending an email because if they don’t get any messages about this they’ll simply assume this is the way forward for any future incidents.
Fairly sure that’s the last time I shop at M&S. I’m just so fucking sick of companies being awful.
Fuck M&S for apologising to this piece of shit.
They should of simply of told her that she is a valuable member of staff and if she is against Trans People she is welcome to take her prejudice and shop elsewhere.
Fuck M&S for apologising.
This will genuinely make me think twice about buying anything from M&S ever again. They should be supporting their employees, not pandering to fucking bigoted cunts.
Only country in the developed world that “won’t someone think of the children?!” goes down completely unironically and without question
Who the hell cares if a person helping you is Trans or not? They’re doing a job, no need to get all ragey because the M&S worker is Transgender. That staff member needs the apology from M&S; not the bloody customer.
M&S should have called out the bigot and politely asked them to never return