No, we should 100% rely on US tech. Especially knowing that Americans are willing to elect presidents like Trump.
Such a stupid question
Agile-Assist-4662 on
Please do. I beg you. Be better, you are our last hope Obi Wan.
Tehsillz on
YES
bindermichi on
Now we just need a reliable replacement for Exchange Online with similar functionality. And no. Any weird email Webhoster does not provide that level of enterprise capable features.
TrueRignak on
Of course we should. Else, we are just exposing ourselves to blackmail from the US, and given the current russo-american axis, this vulnerability is a threat to the very existence of EU.
Neshura87 on
At the very least in critical infrastructure, the fact Microsoft can just block a judge’s account and lock them out of everything is extremely alarming. The EU and its governments needs to be able to function in any plausible scenario and one of those is the US cutting off access to their tech over some geopolitical squabble.
BubrekReal on
30 years ago…
TheoryOfDevolution on
It’s never not ironic whenever one of these articles get posted to Reddit.
MxTide on
Why is it a question at all? Tech sector brings jobs, money and independence. WHY is it a question?!
ChrisTchaik on
“Can” is the better question here.
No, it either can’t, or might need a really, really long time and by the time it does, the politics behind it might had already become irrelevant.
kyussorder on
Yep
Any-Original-6113 on
I don’t say replacement, I say alternative.
So that I can say “fuck you” at any time
Pogeos on
Good old protectionism.
Fluid-Piccolo-6911 on
I believe a lot of companies are..
digiorno on
The best time to do this was in the 80s and 90s during the computer revolution. But better late than never….
Henrarzz on
Short answer: yes.
Long answer: yes.
RevolutionBusiness27 on
I wish there were more tech companies in Europe.
Adorable-Database187 on
Yes
prueba_hola on
years and years ago
AugustineJ7 on
You’ve been talking about doing this and also rebuilding your military for quite awhile now. So far it’s been all talk and no action. At some point you have to just face the reality that the EU can do neither.
Kriss3d on
The right question is “Why havent we already?!”
IvorTheEngineDriver on
Yes, absolutely yes, but we have only ourselves to blame if we’re in this uncomfortable situation, we have squandered such potential between the 1980s and early 2000s… I want to hit myself in the head with a hammer when I think that here in Italy we let an amazing company like Olivetti fade into semiobscurity…
Miculmuc90 on
This is just rhetorical. Yes it should but let’s be honest, the race in IT was lost decades ago. The wages are shit in IT in Europe compared to US and there is no eagerness for capital investment in this field since it’s very high risk in an already established market.
_silentgameplays_ on
EU should, but it technically can’t, because entire government and business sectors in EU and the world are tied to O365 and their entire IT Infrastructures have been built around Enterprise and Business O365 licensing and it has been so for almost 30 years, which means Windows or macOS endpoints.
EU talks the talk for decades, but realistically the whole transition requires a lot of funding, because they need to move from O365 to LibreOffice and Linux(custom Linux) and that means hiring locally for local wages with health care entire teams of people and developers experienced in using Linux and train the non-technical staff to use Linux and Linux-based solutions.
Not to mention switch all client and server endpoints to custom Linux solutions, without reliance on cheap outsource and that’s just on the on-premises side of things and it’s already in billions of funding on the transition alone.
They would also need to remake every piece of software that is currently using licensing from SAP(SalesForce/Accounting) to something local, like the “good old days” when it took decades to write some internal solutions, that were incompatible with anything else.
In cloud services and virtualization it’s either Amazon (AWS) or Microsoft (Azure). Amazon is not just cloud services and virtualization, entire web hosting segments and chunks of hardware, where the websites are being hosted are owned by Amazon.
Switching from US corporations like Amazon in web hosting would mean making their own web hosting infrastructures, independent on Amazon, but providing the same capabilities and it takes decades to build these types of infrastructures for web hosting and billions in funding.
Until EU starts doing this on a larger scale, which means enormous amount of funding to the IT and Software Development sectors alone, there will always be dependencies on US.
RepresentativeOk3943 on
Can the EU afford to? Would be great to get insights.
yellowbai on
That time was 20 year ago. Linux is the best viable alternative but how do you do that? Entire economies are being run of Excel, Word and PowerPoint. Google App suite is making similar inroads. Europe woke up too late
popswag on
yesterday, stop asking stimulus questions and get busy
chessboardtable on
I am so tired of reading these dumb articles. That ship has sailed. Network effects are brutal in tech. Once Google, Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, Meta became global defaults, they locked in ecosystems (data, users, infrastructure, developer bases). You cannot realistically disrupt these ecosystems unless the EU moves to crack down on US tech companies with China-like bans (extremely unlikely because the EU is useless and spinless).
NegativeDeparture on
The only answer is YES!
chaotic-kotik on
These days most of the software can be easily rewritten from scratch. In the 90s it was almost impossible to build Office software from scratch. Or the SQL database server. But not today. The tooling and open source libraries are very mature.
Negritis on
yes, but it wont
dumnezero on
DO IT
webstor_ on
Of course. We should have done that a long time ago.
MercatorLondon on
Europe should be a leader in Linux. Invented in Finland, Canonical in UK, SUSE in Germany, RedHat in Czech Republic, Atos in France. B1 systems working on Fedora based [EU OS](https://eu-os.eu/) already.
That would be a good start. We lost many leading companies already.
As a customer I would happily shop at European version of Amazon. I would be more than happy to watch pan-european version of Netflix. There is also European replacement of VISA or Mastercard needed. [EPI](https://epicompany.eu/about) is a good start.
There are some strategic investments in technology such as Galileo GPS. The rest is the issue of funding related to broken EU market
Darkone539 on
Isn’t the question “how can”. Everyone agrees we should.
Superb_Worth_5934 on
Why is this question asked on a weekly basis, everyone knows the answer
41 commenti
yes.
No, we should 100% rely on US tech. Especially knowing that Americans are willing to elect presidents like Trump.
Such a stupid question
Please do. I beg you. Be better, you are our last hope Obi Wan.
YES
Now we just need a reliable replacement for Exchange Online with similar functionality. And no. Any weird email Webhoster does not provide that level of enterprise capable features.
Of course we should. Else, we are just exposing ourselves to blackmail from the US, and given the current russo-american axis, this vulnerability is a threat to the very existence of EU.
At the very least in critical infrastructure, the fact Microsoft can just block a judge’s account and lock them out of everything is extremely alarming. The EU and its governments needs to be able to function in any plausible scenario and one of those is the US cutting off access to their tech over some geopolitical squabble.
30 years ago…
It’s never not ironic whenever one of these articles get posted to Reddit.
Why is it a question at all? Tech sector brings jobs, money and independence. WHY is it a question?!
“Can” is the better question here.
No, it either can’t, or might need a really, really long time and by the time it does, the politics behind it might had already become irrelevant.
Yep
I don’t say replacement, I say alternative.
So that I can say “fuck you” at any time
Good old protectionism.
I believe a lot of companies are..
The best time to do this was in the 80s and 90s during the computer revolution. But better late than never….
Short answer: yes.
Long answer: yes.
I wish there were more tech companies in Europe.
Yes
years and years ago
You’ve been talking about doing this and also rebuilding your military for quite awhile now. So far it’s been all talk and no action. At some point you have to just face the reality that the EU can do neither.
The right question is “Why havent we already?!”
Yes, absolutely yes, but we have only ourselves to blame if we’re in this uncomfortable situation, we have squandered such potential between the 1980s and early 2000s… I want to hit myself in the head with a hammer when I think that here in Italy we let an amazing company like Olivetti fade into semiobscurity…
This is just rhetorical. Yes it should but let’s be honest, the race in IT was lost decades ago. The wages are shit in IT in Europe compared to US and there is no eagerness for capital investment in this field since it’s very high risk in an already established market.
EU should, but it technically can’t, because entire government and business sectors in EU and the world are tied to O365 and their entire IT Infrastructures have been built around Enterprise and Business O365 licensing and it has been so for almost 30 years, which means Windows or macOS endpoints.
EU talks the talk for decades, but realistically the whole transition requires a lot of funding, because they need to move from O365 to LibreOffice and Linux(custom Linux) and that means hiring locally for local wages with health care entire teams of people and developers experienced in using Linux and train the non-technical staff to use Linux and Linux-based solutions.
Not to mention switch all client and server endpoints to custom Linux solutions, without reliance on cheap outsource and that’s just on the on-premises side of things and it’s already in billions of funding on the transition alone.
They would also need to remake every piece of software that is currently using licensing from SAP(SalesForce/Accounting) to something local, like the “good old days” when it took decades to write some internal solutions, that were incompatible with anything else.
In cloud services and virtualization it’s either Amazon (AWS) or Microsoft (Azure). Amazon is not just cloud services and virtualization, entire web hosting segments and chunks of hardware, where the websites are being hosted are owned by Amazon.
Switching from US corporations like Amazon in web hosting would mean making their own web hosting infrastructures, independent on Amazon, but providing the same capabilities and it takes decades to build these types of infrastructures for web hosting and billions in funding.
Until EU starts doing this on a larger scale, which means enormous amount of funding to the IT and Software Development sectors alone, there will always be dependencies on US.
Can the EU afford to? Would be great to get insights.
That time was 20 year ago. Linux is the best viable alternative but how do you do that? Entire economies are being run of Excel, Word and PowerPoint. Google App suite is making similar inroads. Europe woke up too late
yesterday, stop asking stimulus questions and get busy
I am so tired of reading these dumb articles. That ship has sailed. Network effects are brutal in tech. Once Google, Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, Meta became global defaults, they locked in ecosystems (data, users, infrastructure, developer bases). You cannot realistically disrupt these ecosystems unless the EU moves to crack down on US tech companies with China-like bans (extremely unlikely because the EU is useless and spinless).
The only answer is YES!
These days most of the software can be easily rewritten from scratch. In the 90s it was almost impossible to build Office software from scratch. Or the SQL database server. But not today. The tooling and open source libraries are very mature.
yes, but it wont
DO IT
Of course. We should have done that a long time ago.
Europe should be a leader in Linux. Invented in Finland, Canonical in UK, SUSE in Germany, RedHat in Czech Republic, Atos in France. B1 systems working on Fedora based [EU OS](https://eu-os.eu/) already.
That would be a good start. We lost many leading companies already.
As a customer I would happily shop at European version of Amazon. I would be more than happy to watch pan-european version of Netflix. There is also European replacement of VISA or Mastercard needed. [EPI](https://epicompany.eu/about) is a good start.
There are some strategic investments in technology such as Galileo GPS. The rest is the issue of funding related to broken EU market
Isn’t the question “how can”. Everyone agrees we should.
Why is this question asked on a weekly basis, everyone knows the answer
Yes.
Thank you for listening to my TED talk.
Yes .
Yes
Hell yes.