Hopefully this will put and to his dumb peace deals! Ukraine needs weapons. Russias war debts are starting to kick in!
No_Priors on
U.S. can’t be trusted.
mariuszmie on
So Europe pays American yet Europe is completely excluded from influence or decision
And so is Ukraine
F what?!
Username1991912 on
Paywall
tostakis on
Reasonable offer, we need the US for the time being,we are not that powerful now.But,we also need to become self sufficient in the defense sector,until then I find it beneficial that we try to please Trump,even if we don’t agree with him politically.
Toums95 on
Russia will most likely get land, the US gets money (and minerals, if I remember correctly a deal was signed a while ago), Europe will pay. Amazing.
JpMc7300 on
The most spineless political block in the world: the European Union. The main issue is that we don’t have any other solution since as single nation states we are even weaker.
WonUpH on
FFS
Realistic_Let3239 on
Trump tears this deal up the following week and repeats the demand for half a trillion dollars.
Mittens-Romney on
Not to mention the EU will be left out of the peace summit between Russia, the US, and Ukraine. I don’t think an explanation is needed for why that is bad.
FullSense9838 on
Trump! 💪
BlueZybez on
EU gets the bill and USA makes money
HardwiredUpYourAss on
USA: let’s finish the war
Russia: ok, just make this concessions
Ukraine: gimme more money!!!
heatrealist on
Good on Ukraine for taking the initiative. That is a proper offer. Europeans put their money where their mouth is and Ukraine get good weapons.
Automatic_Taro_6288 on
Ukraine should take a leaf out of Trump playbook and tear the deal as soon as this administration is out of power.
Historical_Jelly_536 on
US has 6000 Abrams M1 in storage, it sold/donated 40 to Ukraine.
US has 1000+ F16 fighters in service/storage, it sold/donated ZERO to Ukraine.
It does not seems to be a question of availability or money.
EconoAlchemist on
Wait, isn’t that essentially racketeering/extortion? Jesus Christ, if the GOP doesn’t get smacked at mid-terms, the US deserves to end up without any ally or partner at this point. Fucking douchbags.
Matt6453 on
Ukraine had security guarantees in the Budapest Memorandum, Putin ignored it twice and no-one stopped him.
Astarogal on
How about they cede fucking donbas and we don’t pay for shit we don’t need
wizrslizr on
HAHAHAHA oh my god you cannot make this shit up 😭😭 they literally just let trump get everything
wizrslizr on
this is a european war, you want the US involved less? europe takes care of europe
Papi_Juancho31 on
Very shitty proposal
Orlok_Tsubodai on
These “security guarantees” won’t be worth the paper they’re written on.
No-Tension7016 on
Can’t wait to see how Redditors spin this as somehow Europe is playing trump.
DefInnit on
If true, this is Ukraine’s offer and Zelensky already got the EU+UK to sign off before volunteering their money.
Pragmatically, Europe splitting $100 billion (timeframe?) in protection money to Trump/the US would still be less than probably hundreds, plural, of billions of euros/pounds Europe would end up having to spend to protect Ukraine by themselves.
Europe from hereon MUST continue to (re)build its defense capabilities to eventually wean itself away from America but Europe is not there yet now. So this is why, with a transactional US president, we find ourselves in this situation.
julien_091003 on
“financed by Europe” 🤡
July_is_cool on
Europe will find a backbone when the tanks are rolling across Poland.
litnu12 on
A deal with the US is worthless. Especially with Trump.
IamHumanAndINeed on
Europe will have to pay to rebuild the country too.
Europe loses on all sides.
TomatoesB4Potatoes on
Security guarantees from a county that won’t impose harsh tariffs on Russia or will stand up to Putin? That country?
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Hopefully this will put and to his dumb peace deals! Ukraine needs weapons. Russias war debts are starting to kick in!
U.S. can’t be trusted.
So Europe pays American yet Europe is completely excluded from influence or decision
And so is Ukraine
F what?!
Paywall
Reasonable offer, we need the US for the time being,we are not that powerful now.But,we also need to become self sufficient in the defense sector,until then I find it beneficial that we try to please Trump,even if we don’t agree with him politically.
Russia will most likely get land, the US gets money (and minerals, if I remember correctly a deal was signed a while ago), Europe will pay. Amazing.
The most spineless political block in the world: the European Union. The main issue is that we don’t have any other solution since as single nation states we are even weaker.
FFS
Trump tears this deal up the following week and repeats the demand for half a trillion dollars.
Not to mention the EU will be left out of the peace summit between Russia, the US, and Ukraine. I don’t think an explanation is needed for why that is bad.
Trump! 💪
EU gets the bill and USA makes money
USA: let’s finish the war
Russia: ok, just make this concessions
Ukraine: gimme more money!!!
Good on Ukraine for taking the initiative. That is a proper offer. Europeans put their money where their mouth is and Ukraine get good weapons.
Ukraine should take a leaf out of Trump playbook and tear the deal as soon as this administration is out of power.
US has 6000 Abrams M1 in storage, it sold/donated 40 to Ukraine.
US has 1000+ F16 fighters in service/storage, it sold/donated ZERO to Ukraine.
It does not seems to be a question of availability or money.
Wait, isn’t that essentially racketeering/extortion? Jesus Christ, if the GOP doesn’t get smacked at mid-terms, the US deserves to end up without any ally or partner at this point. Fucking douchbags.
Ukraine had security guarantees in the Budapest Memorandum, Putin ignored it twice and no-one stopped him.
How about they cede fucking donbas and we don’t pay for shit we don’t need
HAHAHAHA oh my god you cannot make this shit up 😭😭 they literally just let trump get everything
this is a european war, you want the US involved less? europe takes care of europe
Very shitty proposal
These “security guarantees” won’t be worth the paper they’re written on.
Can’t wait to see how Redditors spin this as somehow Europe is playing trump.
If true, this is Ukraine’s offer and Zelensky already got the EU+UK to sign off before volunteering their money.
Pragmatically, Europe splitting $100 billion (timeframe?) in protection money to Trump/the US would still be less than probably hundreds, plural, of billions of euros/pounds Europe would end up having to spend to protect Ukraine by themselves.
Europe from hereon MUST continue to (re)build its defense capabilities to eventually wean itself away from America but Europe is not there yet now. So this is why, with a transactional US president, we find ourselves in this situation.
“financed by Europe” 🤡
Europe will find a backbone when the tanks are rolling across Poland.
A deal with the US is worthless. Especially with Trump.
Europe will have to pay to rebuild the country too.
Europe loses on all sides.
Security guarantees from a county that won’t impose harsh tariffs on Russia or will stand up to Putin? That country?
EU destroying itself, not shocking
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