I don’t condone them and it’s so clearly going to end in tears, BUT, I also think we need more of this simply to get the message through to the Government that the current policing situation cannot continue.
People, as it stands, do not feel protected by their police service. They do not feel they can or should bother reporting crime. They don’t feel listened to.
The closure of police stations, a lack of focus on impactful crime like anti social behaviour, theft, robbery, knife crime, closure of stations / front desks, honestly the list is near endless. Not just the police either, but the entire CJS seems to be failing people on a continuous basis.
These groups are awful, but they do send a message and a message that much of the public agree with I suspect.
eldomtom2 on
Very damning.
> “The organisers have been unable to provide reassurance that this group has sufficient safeguards in place to ensure volunteers are adequately vetted, trained, and equipped to undertake high-visibility patrols in the community.”
> He said there were “insufficient details in relation to the use of body-worn cameras, publishing of photographs of members of the public, administration and recording of any force used or first aid provided, and limited evidence of any training provided”.
asfish123 on
“But Dorset PCC David Sidwick told the BBC: “I have had no contact with them. I have concerns about vetting, I have concerns about training, I have concerns about their administration.”
His concerns are the same ones lots of people have with the Police
Nice_Put4300 on
Pathetic people doing pathetic things ‘for our girls’
I_am_Reddit_Tom on
“Policing by consent” if that consent is withdrawn then vigilantism will fill the gap
Astriania on
Of course they don’t endorse it but it’s an inevitable outcome of long term loss of confidence that the police will actually do anything.
> The force said it had been carrying out its own high-visibility patrols in Bournemouth, with 289 foot patrols taking place in the past seven days, including the town centre, gardens and seafront, leading to arrests, dispersal notices, stop searches and anti-social behaviour incidents tackled.
Well, sounds like the group taking matters into their own hands actually has made the police wake up and start doing community policing again! So mission accomplished, without them having to do anything!
ClockOwn6363 on
**Bournemouth volunteer patrol group do not endorse’ Dorset Police.** Seems more like it. 😏
PhilosTop3644 on
Remember, when seconds count, the police are minutes away. If you’re lucky.
Loose_Teach7299 on
Don’t expect it to stop at Bournemouth. Policing is a tainted profession. It needs deep reform, but there’s not a cat in hells chance of it happening.
theuniversechild on
I actually know a few people who volunteer with Safeguard Force and it’s honestly so weird how they are being portrayed…
They are similar to the ole Street Guardians?
It seems they do check proof of identity and DBS – whilst not fallproof, certainly shows they are trying to do things in the correct way?
Surely it would be better to give them the support required to build them up, as ultimately they are trying to prioritise the safety of their communities which is a good thing? Trying to smear and bring them down just seems short sighted considering the police clearly cannot cope.
It just feels like people would rather rule over the ashes in this country than work towards building something which actually could be a source of good. Absolute bucket of crabs mentality. It’s mental.
CSM110 on
More volunteer forces absolutely needed. Good on them, and shame on the utter wet wipes who shat on me when I suggest something similar for my local area ages ago.
>The public should be doing more to stop shoplifting rather than just relying on the police, the Thames Valley police and crime commissioner (PCC) has said.But I encourage people to do something.
>Conservative Matthew Barber said everyone had a “responsibility” to help if people wanted to live “in a safe, prosperous society”
…
>”If we want to live in a safe, prosperous society, we all have a responsibility. It’s not just about some external agency coming in from outside.
>If you’re in a store and you witness shoplifting happening I think at the very least you should report that to the police, report it to the staff, perhaps take some mobile phone footage, shout at someone ‘put that back’.”
I mean, it’s pretty much the same thing, right? Understaffed and overworked police officers have given up on most petty crime (too busy arresting people with Plasticine Action t-shirts as well) so a group of people standing up to crime would be welcomed, right?
Make your bloody mind up.
(Please note, this is incredibly hyperbolic and just making a bit of a stretch between one Police statement versus another).
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I don’t condone them and it’s so clearly going to end in tears, BUT, I also think we need more of this simply to get the message through to the Government that the current policing situation cannot continue.
People, as it stands, do not feel protected by their police service. They do not feel they can or should bother reporting crime. They don’t feel listened to.
The closure of police stations, a lack of focus on impactful crime like anti social behaviour, theft, robbery, knife crime, closure of stations / front desks, honestly the list is near endless. Not just the police either, but the entire CJS seems to be failing people on a continuous basis.
These groups are awful, but they do send a message and a message that much of the public agree with I suspect.
Very damning.
> “The organisers have been unable to provide reassurance that this group has sufficient safeguards in place to ensure volunteers are adequately vetted, trained, and equipped to undertake high-visibility patrols in the community.”
> He said there were “insufficient details in relation to the use of body-worn cameras, publishing of photographs of members of the public, administration and recording of any force used or first aid provided, and limited evidence of any training provided”.
“But Dorset PCC David Sidwick told the BBC: “I have had no contact with them. I have concerns about vetting, I have concerns about training, I have concerns about their administration.”
His concerns are the same ones lots of people have with the Police
Pathetic people doing pathetic things ‘for our girls’
“Policing by consent” if that consent is withdrawn then vigilantism will fill the gap
Of course they don’t endorse it but it’s an inevitable outcome of long term loss of confidence that the police will actually do anything.
> The force said it had been carrying out its own high-visibility patrols in Bournemouth, with 289 foot patrols taking place in the past seven days, including the town centre, gardens and seafront, leading to arrests, dispersal notices, stop searches and anti-social behaviour incidents tackled.
Well, sounds like the group taking matters into their own hands actually has made the police wake up and start doing community policing again! So mission accomplished, without them having to do anything!
**Bournemouth volunteer patrol group do not endorse’ Dorset Police.** Seems more like it. 😏
Remember, when seconds count, the police are minutes away. If you’re lucky.
Don’t expect it to stop at Bournemouth. Policing is a tainted profession. It needs deep reform, but there’s not a cat in hells chance of it happening.
I actually know a few people who volunteer with Safeguard Force and it’s honestly so weird how they are being portrayed…
They are similar to the ole Street Guardians?
It seems they do check proof of identity and DBS – whilst not fallproof, certainly shows they are trying to do things in the correct way?
Surely it would be better to give them the support required to build them up, as ultimately they are trying to prioritise the safety of their communities which is a good thing? Trying to smear and bring them down just seems short sighted considering the police clearly cannot cope.
It just feels like people would rather rule over the ashes in this country than work towards building something which actually could be a source of good. Absolute bucket of crabs mentality. It’s mental.
More volunteer forces absolutely needed. Good on them, and shame on the utter wet wipes who shat on me when I suggest something similar for my local area ages ago.
What happened to the [Police Commissioner’s call for people to stop shoplifters](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn43j1m889eo)?
>The public should be doing more to stop shoplifting rather than just relying on the police, the Thames Valley police and crime commissioner (PCC) has said.But I encourage people to do something.
>Conservative Matthew Barber said everyone had a “responsibility” to help if people wanted to live “in a safe, prosperous society”
…
>”If we want to live in a safe, prosperous society, we all have a responsibility. It’s not just about some external agency coming in from outside.
>If you’re in a store and you witness shoplifting happening I think at the very least you should report that to the police, report it to the staff, perhaps take some mobile phone footage, shout at someone ‘put that back’.”
I mean, it’s pretty much the same thing, right? Understaffed and overworked police officers have given up on most petty crime (too busy arresting people with Plasticine Action t-shirts as well) so a group of people standing up to crime would be welcomed, right?
Make your bloody mind up.
(Please note, this is incredibly hyperbolic and just making a bit of a stretch between one Police statement versus another).