Morti di zero strade entro il 2040, anche se ciò significa viaggi più lenti, affermano la maggioranza del pubblico del Regno Unito
https://www.ippr.org/media-office/zero-road-deaths-by-2040-even-if-it-means-slower-journeys-say-majority-of-public
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Ah yes, dropping the speed limit slightly will certainly do that. A car at 50mph is basically harmless…
Zero isn’t realistic because at any given moment a person who has seemingly been healthy their entire life can have an aneurysm or other medical condition leaving their vehicle free to crash into others.
Once cars are slower than walking pace they’ll say walking is faster so you don’t need cars, unless you’re a government official. No cars for you! Get on yer bike!
Yes until they introduce the *safety measures*, people are inconvenienced, and people will still regularly die on the road because several tonnes of metal is going to be dangerous at just about any speed.
We should just ban people from leaving the house to ensure no one can ever get hurt outdoors.
Will have to ban bicycles then. Can die falling off one of those even without cars about.
One of the best ways to accomplish this will be to get as many people and goods as we can out of trucks and cars and into trains, trams, busses and onto bikes.
Risk, injury and death down. Efficiency, health and productivity up. It’s a win-win-win-win-win-win ideology.
>87 per cent of daily drivers would accept a journey delay if it made roads safer
If you believe this I’ve got a bridge to sell you, more than 13% of people speed on current limits
How are 87% saying they’d accept a slower journey? It’s certainly more than 13% of vehicles speeding on the motorway, and about 100% of the time I have someone gaining on me in a 30.
To achieve this, we need to start funding public transport PROPERLY.
Buses and trains are extraordinarily safe. The more people you can get out of cars and into those, the more chance you’ve got of actually hitting this target
This is the “high illegality, low enforcement” wishful thinking that drives the thought process behind things like the Online Safety Act.
Of course the majority of the public are in favour of no road deaths even if it means driving slower. The majority of road users are sensible.
However, it’s the minority of twats who drive at illegal speeds no matter what the legal speed limit is set to that will cause the accidents.
One group are the entitled rich folk like Steve Coogan who escaped his driving ban for doing 96mph on a motorway because he needed his licence to film Season 4 of The Trip. They have connections and are able to weasel out of any sort of punishment.
The other group are people like the case of the guy who was doing 140mph down the North Circular, which even though it’s a dual carriageway that would be 60mph in most cases, has a 40mph limit precisely because of the “high illegality, low enforcement” wishful thinking.
As always seems to be the case with these criminals who speed, they cause the death of someone else in an accident whilst escaping relatively unharmed, get to live a fairly normal life for years whilst their case meanders through the justice system, and even if they get a short custodial sentence, are still allowed behind a steering wheel as soon as they are free.
We don’t need more laws or more onerous restrictions on the sensible road users and delays journeys even more. **We need the justice system to actually enforce the laws already on the book** and get the bad drivers off the roads, in most cases permanently. Driving is a privilege, not a right.
Now ask the same people if they support 20mph limits, pedestrian priority at all pedestrian crossings (aka no forcing people to wait two minutes after hitting the button), proper bike lanes on all major throughfares, regular and mandatory retesting for OAPs, harsher punishment in courts for driving infractions (including normalisation of permanent driving bans), harsher punishments for speeding, ect. All things I personally think are good policies that will make roads safer but I doubt they’d be popular.
Zero isn’t possible, but they can definitely bring the numbers down. Tons of reckless drivers and parkers today.
That’s one hell of an extrapolation from the questions
Not gonna lie, I think it’s ridiculous quite frankly. Newer cars have more safety measures on them compared to significantly older cars, so changing the speed limit is pointless and is just going to be more of a hindrance to be honest.
The issue lies behind the roads not being actively policed anymore, how frequently so you see traffic cops about nowadays due to budget cuts? This ties in with dangerous drivers exceeding the speed limits because they do it with impunity, but then again tarring everyone with the same brush is another example of this country punishing everyone rather than the few.
I get 20mph in residential areas, but putting it down to 50 on A and B roads or the motorway is just mental.
even slower than this? wow our speed limits are already lower than average in Europe by 10 to 20 miles an hour, how slow do we need to drive??
It’s not one or the other.
Properly funded public transport, proper attention to walking and cycling infrastructure, and proper road and street design make for a much safer and more comfortable way to get around, a healthier local environment for everyone, *and* faster journey times.
Let’s just ban travelling anywhere. Zero travel deaths that way
> Some 87 per cent of daily drivers say they would accept some form of delay to their typical journeys to make roads safer,
And yet govt stats show 43% of vehicles exceed 30mph speed limits.
Hmmm.
I wonder when knife deaths will outnumber car accident deaths? At the moment it’s 262 knife deaths vs 1695 road fatalities.
“In the 12 months to March 2024, there were 262 knife homicides in England and Wales, which was a decade high for knife-related deaths in the period. This figure represented a rise from 243 knife homicides in the previous year and shows a fluctuating but generally upward trend in knife deaths over the past decade, according to Office for National Statistics (ONS) data. ”
“In the UK in 2023, there were a total of 1,695 reported road deaths, with 1,624 in Great Britain and 71 in Northern Ireland.”
So human drivers banned from roads and fully automated driving? Seems like an unrealistic target for 2040, maybe 2050
Zero knife deaths by 2040 even if it means mass deportations, say majority of UK public.
…says a poll funded by a private think tank. Those never turn out to be biased, do they?
We have some of the safest roads in the world. Iirc only the Scandi countries are safer but that’s because they have insane winters to contend with on a regular basis and **have** to know what they’re doing.
At a certain point you have to stop this crusade, just like we have with a myriad of other things like Covid, which still kills thousands of people per year.
Should we just go back into lockdown because people are dying from infectious diseases? Should everyone have to wear a mask when going outside again? Should we reinstitute social distancing? Ban super spreading events like football games?
I would contend the vast majority of these deaths have very little to do with the speed someone is doing (though it’s obviously a factor), and far more to do with divided attention (phones), not wearing seatbelts, drunk/drug driving (huge factor), or people who are going way above the already posted limits. Or just straight up dangerous/stupid driving (swerving into lanes without checking, falling asleep at the wheel etc).
Close a bunch of roads and create public transport only routes! Trains! Trams! Busses! Oh wait? Not gonna happen? Damn.
But didnt Wales just try bringing in a slower speed limit and basically everyone hated it?
This is just survey bias.
“How many people do you think should due on roads?”
My favourite one at the moment – a section of dual carriageway 60 near me, got dropped to a 40 due to the fact mostly golfers didn’t fail safe crossing the road and the odd (once every 3 years) nasty accident. They haven’t camera’d it yet so currently whilst 90% of the traffic is doing 40, you are getting enough people who are doing 60 and weaving in and out of traffic. No way in hell – everyone completely accepts “slower” journeys. It would be like me pretending I didn’t get passed by someone doing 30+ in one of the local 20s the other week.
The headline is simply not supported by the data. It’s clickbait
Lol are we going to ban using roads in 2039? I don’t see how else we’d achieve that target, unless we all manage to die already so there’s no one left to die on the roads I guess.
Stop allowing foreign licences in the UK. We have one of the strictest tests in the world but you can drive here if you passed in Pakistan or America for a year.
Well, that’s something. People often say that if alcohol were introduced today as a drug, it’d be a class A due to its negative effect on personal health and its overall societal cost. I feel the same way about cars.
50mph is quickly coming the new 60mph already and people can’t even manage that without crashing
If the national speed limit is 0mph, then we can achieve 0 road deaths!
What’s that? UK productivity is at 0 too? How can that be??
It’s a good thing to strive for lower road deaths, but I highly doubt we will reach it. There were a few roadworks near me recently and the redesign of road itself is cool, but road markings were not added and they would make it even safer as people would know what to do.
There was another roundabout that you only know they left lane of for left only 10 meters before you enter the roundabout… 0 planning, why isn’t there a standing sign 100 yards before (is a long straight road with roundabout) telling you what lane to take?!
It’s like aiming for 0 emissions while dumping more and more shit into rivers. Environment isn’t better of
I’ve been an advocate for a while on a sort of bounty system for petty crimes and always felt cars was the best place to do it given how many dashcams there are.
The Police issue automatic fines for various parking infringements, speed infringements, as well as stopping in the yellow box, or going into a ULEZ – but these sorts of things don’t apply on actual dangerous driving that isn’t as easily automatically picked up. I feel like the general public can be useful here where they should be able to submit things like dangerous driving, or littering from the car, to the Police and the person that reported it gets a cut of the fine issued.
At the end of the day, society needs to police itself and there is no better way than encouraging the community to engage positively in the enforcement of rules than to offer an actual tangible reward for doing so. There are all kinds of other things that can be done for sure to improve road safety – but encouraging the use of dash cams for the public and using them to remove dangerous drivers from the road would be a huge step.
87% of who? What’s the sample size, what were the questions asked and what were the specific answers?
Same with almost all these things where answers can be made to say anything especially to push a specific subject.
Targets, and league tables, have been a terrible idea this one it utter madness.
Somehow I can’t believe this when people in Wales won’t shut up about the 20mph speed limits.
That’s like saying we’ll have a world without murder. It’s why I get a bit confused why whenever some death happens we’re looking deep for a source in schools or flags as if it’ll ever just disappear.
Better road design would do a hell of a lot more than just lowering limits and calling it a day
Make trains affordable and infrastructure, increase connectivity outside of london through buses/trams.
Reducing cars on the road would help as well