There are more people looking for work than there are available jobs and with more and more graduates popping up every year (naturally), this is only going to get worse. I really feel for this generation, being young in England is fucking shit. We are in really, really big trouble here.
EDIT: For context, I am 18 myself. Perhaps anecdotal because of the area I live in, but there’s fuck-all here in terms of opportunities for anyone and the sentiment seems to be echoed amongst other communities from other parts of England and I won’t be surprised if the youth today are condemned to poverty for a large period of their life (much like I’m living in right now) because of the actions of idiotic politicians and general dumbasses that came before them. It’s really not their fault in the slightest and yet they’re having to carry the burden of it. The fact that recruitment processes for retailers like Aldi can be several months long for a simple store assistant job is insane and something needs to be done about these ridiculously taxing and long-winded forms of employment processing by the government or anyone else, it’s not sustainable and these firms need to start being questioned on why they’re unable to recruit more efficiently or why they’re so overly-selective.
Sea-Caterpillar-255 on
Don’t people know that if they got trained up and found a job they could work all day, live in debt and be no better off than if they hadn’t bothered?
golf_is_quite_hard on
What we need is to increase the population by 1,000,000 per year
JustForOneQ on
I’ll keep saying it, any government that looks at this problem without seeing the need for wide-reaching jobs market reform is government that will continually fail to solve the problem.
The truth is right now that we don’t have a jobs “market”, we have instead something more akin to a jobs *lottery*. The number of job applications which I hear people send that go completely unanswered is stupendously high, something like 96-98% of job applications go unanswered by employers. There’s no checks or regulation that exists to check if those jobs even exist or were ever truly available to external applicants. The vast majority of employers now delegate the task of filtering applications to AI or other processing software, with no accountability of what those look for in their processing algorythms. You’re essentially lucky if a human gets eyes onto your resume.
Jobs market is basically a dysfunctional mess, it’s no wonder young people can’t get work.
raven43122 on
Im out of the loop being in my 40s
But seeing those stats is sad. 16 to 24 and already deciding there’s no point in trying to get ahead in life is absolutely dire.
I don’t know how you go about fixing it, I’m trying to think back when I left school and my thought pattern. I mean I ended up on a building site on £15 quid a day pre minimum wage of course, I don’t think it ever bothered me.
Is it a cost of living thing? No point going if you’re going to end up with nothing at the end of the month regardless?
Connor123x on
and people wonder why people are not having kids. I wouldn’t want to bring a child into this world. The future seems almost non existent for them.
IndividualSkill3432 on
Our company has not hired young UK people for years, we just outsource or get experienced people on visas; AI is also going to hit hard as there is an expectation that they do not need juniors to train up, those small tasks are already AI.
Raoul_Meatgong on
The benefits system needs serious reform. It’s a disgrace that you can make more lazing around on the dole than you can doing some jobs
RyanGUK on
Trying to break down the problem from my experience (been in the IT field for 15 years now):
– Young people are leaving education instead of going to university, because university is expensive & the return on investment from getting a graduate job is… poor. And when you do have a job, you’re taxed out the bottom for it.
– There are jobs out there for young people, but in an age where people in the 25+ age bracket are being made redundant almost daily, these jobs are being taken by more experienced people. Why hire a kid when you can get somebody with more experience?
– Training for a job can be expensive, and you need money to do so (or be eligible for a grant of some type). Even then, you’re not guaranteed a job after training finishes & then you’re in the same position as a graduate: Nice piece of paper, but not worth much without real experience.
The all-encompassing problem that touches all of these points is that companies are trying to optimise and reduce the need for “basic jobs” that young people could normally do. Self-checkouts, online orders, automated warehouses, AI, it’s all there to reduce costs. Also chuck in the issue that if people don’t have money, the tourism industry in some areas (which requires seasonal staff, usually young), starts to tank and then you have less jobs for young people.
People would like to blame immigration for all of these problems, but the reality is corporate greed & shareholder profits have pushed us into a point of no return, and sadly it’s only going to get worse.
ash_ninetyone on
I swear this has always been a constant story ever since the 80s. Something the older generations can’t grasp is that you can’t just leave school and waltz into an apprenticeship or an internship. Instead some of them just look down and sneer, and then whine when driving tests are getting harder (because all of a sudden they need sight tests, or repeat testing over 80, despite the tests becoming harder since, or their pension becoming unsustainable, despite others having it harder or having to work harder and longer to prop it up). Housing is becoming more unattainable. Everytime grades seem to go up, you have older generations, politicians, political commentators go off about grade inflation, and never at perhaps even the slightest possibility that maybe kids are better taught and more intelligent.
A lot or junior level jobs now need degrees.
Youth unemployment has been a constant issue that successive governments can never grasp. Almost every youth employment scheme seems to fail. Was the same when I left school at 18. Back in 2010, left school into a job market that was fucked. 50-100+ applicants for every job. No matter how well written your CV or comfortable you are at an interview, there’s no chance at you jumping ahead of that.
Tbf I did have my own error in judgement, as I should’ve gone to uni then, but I was talked out of it, lost a bit of sight of my own goals and what I wanted to do. But it was similarly as awful a job market then as it is going to become now. I did eventually go to uni as a mature student a few years ago, because I was fed up working in a warehouse with insecure hours wasting my 20s and my potential.
But still. Point remains that coupled with Brexit and that level of snobbishness that always talks down our youth, this country is hostile to teens and young adults and has been for decades. No wonder they’re always disaffected.
My advice to 18-24 year olds is to emigrate if you get the chance, take a working holiday somewhere. If you go to uni, worth always seeing what graduate courses, etc there are overseas.
OkMap3209 on
If the government really wants to address this, there needs to be less friction for employment and incentives to train new people over others.
Employers NI was a mistake. Labour would have been better off simply reversing one of the Employee NI tax giveaways that the Tories did. If anything Employers NI should be temporarily reduced if a hire has not generated a significant amount of lifetime income. Set it at 8% or 10% for new hires so new hires become cheaper and paying to train them makes financial sense.
But aside from that, the recruitment cycle is a complete nightmare on both sides. Everyone is applying to as many jobs as they can, usually with AI driven slop. And recruiters are using multiple steps and more AI to filter through the garbage for the talent they want. And ofcourse the middlemen don’t mind so will let this mess continue.
There should be limitations on sites like Indeed on how many jobs you can apply for at a time, and limitations on how many applications an employer can receive at a time. Send a rejection to open more slots. These could make the recruitment cycle easier for everyone. You won’t need 5 interviews to filter through candidates if only 20 applied instead of thousands. I’m hoping a single competitior comes out that comes with these options for higher quality jobs for employees, and higher quality candidates for employers.
Charming_Case_7208 on
Sub going to hate it, but this is a result of mass immigration. Many jobs this age group would have been on has been taken by immigrants. Retail probably the most visual result of it, but it also hits many other low skills and entry level jobs.
Minimum-Geologist-58 on
I really think this is something the government have totally fucked up. Allow me to explain: automation and AI were always going to make it tougher for graduate roles, a lot of the model of a lot of companies was to make graduates useful doing data entry for a few years while they learned the ropes to do something adding more value.
There could have been a bit of time to work out a new place for them but a soft landing was denied by minimum wage and NI increases, basically incentivising employers to go all in on not employing young people.
End result is we’re transitioning to a French style, higher unemployment, higher wage, economy in a period where there was going to be big labour market dislocation anyway. It will sort itself out but it’s going to be a massacre for a few years.
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There are more people looking for work than there are available jobs and with more and more graduates popping up every year (naturally), this is only going to get worse. I really feel for this generation, being young in England is fucking shit. We are in really, really big trouble here.
EDIT: For context, I am 18 myself. Perhaps anecdotal because of the area I live in, but there’s fuck-all here in terms of opportunities for anyone and the sentiment seems to be echoed amongst other communities from other parts of England and I won’t be surprised if the youth today are condemned to poverty for a large period of their life (much like I’m living in right now) because of the actions of idiotic politicians and general dumbasses that came before them. It’s really not their fault in the slightest and yet they’re having to carry the burden of it. The fact that recruitment processes for retailers like Aldi can be several months long for a simple store assistant job is insane and something needs to be done about these ridiculously taxing and long-winded forms of employment processing by the government or anyone else, it’s not sustainable and these firms need to start being questioned on why they’re unable to recruit more efficiently or why they’re so overly-selective.
Don’t people know that if they got trained up and found a job they could work all day, live in debt and be no better off than if they hadn’t bothered?
What we need is to increase the population by 1,000,000 per year
I’ll keep saying it, any government that looks at this problem without seeing the need for wide-reaching jobs market reform is government that will continually fail to solve the problem.
The truth is right now that we don’t have a jobs “market”, we have instead something more akin to a jobs *lottery*. The number of job applications which I hear people send that go completely unanswered is stupendously high, something like 96-98% of job applications go unanswered by employers. There’s no checks or regulation that exists to check if those jobs even exist or were ever truly available to external applicants. The vast majority of employers now delegate the task of filtering applications to AI or other processing software, with no accountability of what those look for in their processing algorythms. You’re essentially lucky if a human gets eyes onto your resume.
Jobs market is basically a dysfunctional mess, it’s no wonder young people can’t get work.
Im out of the loop being in my 40s
But seeing those stats is sad. 16 to 24 and already deciding there’s no point in trying to get ahead in life is absolutely dire.
I don’t know how you go about fixing it, I’m trying to think back when I left school and my thought pattern. I mean I ended up on a building site on £15 quid a day pre minimum wage of course, I don’t think it ever bothered me.
Is it a cost of living thing? No point going if you’re going to end up with nothing at the end of the month regardless?
and people wonder why people are not having kids. I wouldn’t want to bring a child into this world. The future seems almost non existent for them.
Our company has not hired young UK people for years, we just outsource or get experienced people on visas; AI is also going to hit hard as there is an expectation that they do not need juniors to train up, those small tasks are already AI.
The benefits system needs serious reform. It’s a disgrace that you can make more lazing around on the dole than you can doing some jobs
Trying to break down the problem from my experience (been in the IT field for 15 years now):
– Young people are leaving education instead of going to university, because university is expensive & the return on investment from getting a graduate job is… poor. And when you do have a job, you’re taxed out the bottom for it.
– There are jobs out there for young people, but in an age where people in the 25+ age bracket are being made redundant almost daily, these jobs are being taken by more experienced people. Why hire a kid when you can get somebody with more experience?
– Training for a job can be expensive, and you need money to do so (or be eligible for a grant of some type). Even then, you’re not guaranteed a job after training finishes & then you’re in the same position as a graduate: Nice piece of paper, but not worth much without real experience.
The all-encompassing problem that touches all of these points is that companies are trying to optimise and reduce the need for “basic jobs” that young people could normally do. Self-checkouts, online orders, automated warehouses, AI, it’s all there to reduce costs. Also chuck in the issue that if people don’t have money, the tourism industry in some areas (which requires seasonal staff, usually young), starts to tank and then you have less jobs for young people.
People would like to blame immigration for all of these problems, but the reality is corporate greed & shareholder profits have pushed us into a point of no return, and sadly it’s only going to get worse.
I swear this has always been a constant story ever since the 80s. Something the older generations can’t grasp is that you can’t just leave school and waltz into an apprenticeship or an internship. Instead some of them just look down and sneer, and then whine when driving tests are getting harder (because all of a sudden they need sight tests, or repeat testing over 80, despite the tests becoming harder since, or their pension becoming unsustainable, despite others having it harder or having to work harder and longer to prop it up). Housing is becoming more unattainable. Everytime grades seem to go up, you have older generations, politicians, political commentators go off about grade inflation, and never at perhaps even the slightest possibility that maybe kids are better taught and more intelligent.
A lot or junior level jobs now need degrees.
Youth unemployment has been a constant issue that successive governments can never grasp. Almost every youth employment scheme seems to fail. Was the same when I left school at 18. Back in 2010, left school into a job market that was fucked. 50-100+ applicants for every job. No matter how well written your CV or comfortable you are at an interview, there’s no chance at you jumping ahead of that.
Tbf I did have my own error in judgement, as I should’ve gone to uni then, but I was talked out of it, lost a bit of sight of my own goals and what I wanted to do. But it was similarly as awful a job market then as it is going to become now. I did eventually go to uni as a mature student a few years ago, because I was fed up working in a warehouse with insecure hours wasting my 20s and my potential.
But still. Point remains that coupled with Brexit and that level of snobbishness that always talks down our youth, this country is hostile to teens and young adults and has been for decades. No wonder they’re always disaffected.
My advice to 18-24 year olds is to emigrate if you get the chance, take a working holiday somewhere. If you go to uni, worth always seeing what graduate courses, etc there are overseas.
If the government really wants to address this, there needs to be less friction for employment and incentives to train new people over others.
Employers NI was a mistake. Labour would have been better off simply reversing one of the Employee NI tax giveaways that the Tories did. If anything Employers NI should be temporarily reduced if a hire has not generated a significant amount of lifetime income. Set it at 8% or 10% for new hires so new hires become cheaper and paying to train them makes financial sense.
But aside from that, the recruitment cycle is a complete nightmare on both sides. Everyone is applying to as many jobs as they can, usually with AI driven slop. And recruiters are using multiple steps and more AI to filter through the garbage for the talent they want. And ofcourse the middlemen don’t mind so will let this mess continue.
There should be limitations on sites like Indeed on how many jobs you can apply for at a time, and limitations on how many applications an employer can receive at a time. Send a rejection to open more slots. These could make the recruitment cycle easier for everyone. You won’t need 5 interviews to filter through candidates if only 20 applied instead of thousands. I’m hoping a single competitior comes out that comes with these options for higher quality jobs for employees, and higher quality candidates for employers.
Sub going to hate it, but this is a result of mass immigration. Many jobs this age group would have been on has been taken by immigrants. Retail probably the most visual result of it, but it also hits many other low skills and entry level jobs.
I really think this is something the government have totally fucked up. Allow me to explain: automation and AI were always going to make it tougher for graduate roles, a lot of the model of a lot of companies was to make graduates useful doing data entry for a few years while they learned the ropes to do something adding more value.
There could have been a bit of time to work out a new place for them but a soft landing was denied by minimum wage and NI increases, basically incentivising employers to go all in on not employing young people.
End result is we’re transitioning to a French style, higher unemployment, higher wage, economy in a period where there was going to be big labour market dislocation anyway. It will sort itself out but it’s going to be a massacre for a few years.