i feel like people just really misunderstand sanctions, you will never completelly stop goods getting from eu to russia, the world is just to interconected for that, the point is to make it harder and more expensive for russians to get their stuff, for example by having to pay middlemen in kyrgystan and transport things through central asia rather than through sea
Impressive-Tip-1689 on
So, where is this wall?
BarnacleWhich7194 on
Some perspective is needed – there has been a 75% drop in exports to Russia from the EU, from 89 billion in 2021 – while attempts to circumnavigate sanctions should be addressed, the above graphs represent a tiny fraction of the trade that took place in 2021.
Gilith on
Hum where is France??? common’ guyz we should be winning this
HunterThin870 on
At least Kyrgistan gets to squeeze the russians for more money than they would pay in sanctionless situation.
vandrag on
This graph only makes sense if you have a line for Russia trade as well. If the delta is too small then the country has shame. Without that, it’s just DIP (Deceptive Imagery Persuasion) rage bait, something that is all too common on social media.
Pandektes on
This is really bad on many levels.
1/ EU is sustaining Russia’s war machine, albeit at higher price point for the Russia
2/ EU is funding Ukraine to win against Russia
3/ The stronger Russia is, the war will continue for longer
We are shooting ourselves in the foot, by supporting BOTH sides of the conflict.
How much do we lose as a continent by sustaining Russia war effort 1 month longer?
How many months were added already by the EU trade with Russia?
We help Ukraine, but we are essentially negating potential advantages Ukraine would have by also helping Russia via trade.
It is prolonging the war, which has multiple negative effects on EU from financial through political ending at societal issues.
In the end in my opinion – which I have from the start of the war – sooner the end wars, the better for EU. We should’ve acted decisively in hopes to end the war sooner than later
RevolutionaryLog3631 on
that’s the wall of reality not shame.
MirabeIe on
I mean money must flow
__brice on
This just proves how weak political Europe is against corporations interests. Money is the only real master.
heavy-minium on
Aren’t these numbers far too low to be a wall of shame? Even the US exports at least that much with Russia.
Sudden_Dot_4843 on
sanctioning Russia was already a terrible failure to begin with, it did absolutely nothing to economy while heavily worsening ours. The EU really has to put down this white savior mentality for once and stop this Ukraine tomfoolery
Qwe5Cz on
The Y axis has different values for each country. That’s a sign of manipulative statistics attempt as it looks misleading in direct comparison. Romania rise from 1 to 7 looks like big jump but Germany 10 to 80 and then drop to 40 looks less than for example Romania.
hecho2 on
Everyone knows that.
Same way that everyone knows exactly who is the final client for that company in Turkey very near the Iran border that orders a LOT of stuff from Europe.
In business people just want to do money and continue with their lives.
SpiderDK1 on
Wow, interesting why we can see this spikes in 2022, very interesting, we will never get it why🤔
uti24 on
Duh, Kyrgyzstan needs those 20 000 thermal tank aiming devices for itself, why not sell them?
fotren on
Yea, well, there is that.
However, imagine this:
Russia js buying stuff from eu for 5/piece
Sanctions->solutions->russia is buying stuff from (Kyrgyz) eu for 7/piece
Russia is selling stuff to eu for 5/piece
Sanctions->russia is selling stuff to eu for 1/piece
Russia is burning money to keep people and the country in shape, and avoid internal conflicts.
frankyboson on
Weak, divided, cynical, and spoiled… so many fine words but so few facts, Draghi was right. The entire European political elite never gave a damn.
CuriousThylacine on
Had to zoom in to find out that this is a super obscure niche thing that isn’t a source of shame in the slightest.
smallushandus on
The Netherlands: ”Challenge Accepted!”
Storm_oni on
Sanctions aren’t about completely stopping trade, they’re about turning every shipment into a costly and complicated obstacle course for Russia
AdminEating_Dragon on
If we wanted to completely halt all trade involving Russian goods, then the citizens of our countries would have to accept permanently high energy bills (for their houses) and gas prices (for their cars).
The citizens – not the companies or the billionaires or the energy conglomerates or whatever entity people on social media scream “make THEM pay the difference and not us”.
Have you seen this happening so far? Have you seen people accept that this is a worthy trade off, or have you seen them rush to the embraces of the far-right who is promising cheaper cost of life prices rathern than “paying for Ukraine’s war” etc.?
Just_a_Berliner on
That’s main function of Krgyzstan.
Even before 2022 they acted as a conduit for Iran for importing sanctioned goods like aircrafts for example.
That’s how one of the ex German government planes ended up with Mahan Air (IRGC affiliated carrier).
_CatLover_ on
And people from these countries will still advocate for kicking slovakia and hungary out of the EU for importing Russian energy.
Veganwisedog on
Different Y axes per plot, manipulative post warning
xondk on
I’m sorry, but the displayed like this, it is quite a bit misleading, not that the increases are good, but your axis are not the same.
Germany goes from ~10 to 80, Poland 1 -> 30, Czech from ~1 -> 20, Netherlands 2-3 -> 20
Not that it is great, but misrepresenting it like that is misleading.
Untethered_GoldenGod on
We should just stop trading with half the world?
MacPh1sto on
Kick Hungary out!
Errr wrong thread
psy-epsilon on
You people forced this. And it’s not about trade in sanctioned products: to facilitate Russia-EU trade for even simple things like ordinary tech stuff, we end up having to use Kyrgyzstan, Armenia, Kazakhstan and even China.
I mean, how did you think this would pan out? Do you think businesses that have production in Russia would just give up, pack up shop and close? Umm, sorry to break it to you, but we all gotta eat. So yeah, any time you’re in Latvia and see a Russian railway carriage with a Finland flag on it and “International Carriage” written on it, take a pause, just for a second, and ask yourself what this could possibly be for.
Idiots.
Mezzoski on
In a sense this is good news. It means that everybody needs everybody else to function properly. Total war is not possible anymore as world would simply stop.
combrade on
Sanctions are never 100% full-proof.
Below is U.S Trade with Russia in 2024 under Biden before our Fuhrer took power in 2025 .
> U.S. goods and services trade with Russia totaled an estimated $5.2 billion in 2024, down 25.8 percent ($1.8 billion) from 2023.
>U.S. total goods trade (exports plus imports) with Russia was an estimated $3.5 billion in 2024. U.S. goods exports to the Russia in 2024 were $528.3 million, down 11.8 percent ($70.5 million) from 2023. U.S. goods imports from Russia 2024 totaled $3.0 billion, down 34.2 percent ($1.6 billion) from 2023. The U.S. goods trade deficit with Russia was $2.4 billion in 2024, a 37.6 percent decrease ($1.5 billion) over 2023.
We have decades of evidence showing that economic sanctions don’t work… But thanks god we have Ursula.. who is showing Russia that with the 19th sanctions package we are dead serious
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i feel like people just really misunderstand sanctions, you will never completelly stop goods getting from eu to russia, the world is just to interconected for that, the point is to make it harder and more expensive for russians to get their stuff, for example by having to pay middlemen in kyrgystan and transport things through central asia rather than through sea
So, where is this wall?
Some perspective is needed – there has been a 75% drop in exports to Russia from the EU, from 89 billion in 2021 – while attempts to circumnavigate sanctions should be addressed, the above graphs represent a tiny fraction of the trade that took place in 2021.
Hum where is France??? common’ guyz we should be winning this
At least Kyrgistan gets to squeeze the russians for more money than they would pay in sanctionless situation.
This graph only makes sense if you have a line for Russia trade as well. If the delta is too small then the country has shame. Without that, it’s just DIP (Deceptive Imagery Persuasion) rage bait, something that is all too common on social media.
This is really bad on many levels.
1/ EU is sustaining Russia’s war machine, albeit at higher price point for the Russia
2/ EU is funding Ukraine to win against Russia
3/ The stronger Russia is, the war will continue for longer
We are shooting ourselves in the foot, by supporting BOTH sides of the conflict.
How much do we lose as a continent by sustaining Russia war effort 1 month longer?
How many months were added already by the EU trade with Russia?
We help Ukraine, but we are essentially negating potential advantages Ukraine would have by also helping Russia via trade.
It is prolonging the war, which has multiple negative effects on EU from financial through political ending at societal issues.
In the end in my opinion – which I have from the start of the war – sooner the end wars, the better for EU. We should’ve acted decisively in hopes to end the war sooner than later
that’s the wall of reality not shame.
I mean money must flow
This just proves how weak political Europe is against corporations interests. Money is the only real master.
Aren’t these numbers far too low to be a wall of shame? Even the US exports at least that much with Russia.
sanctioning Russia was already a terrible failure to begin with, it did absolutely nothing to economy while heavily worsening ours. The EU really has to put down this white savior mentality for once and stop this Ukraine tomfoolery
The Y axis has different values for each country. That’s a sign of manipulative statistics attempt as it looks misleading in direct comparison. Romania rise from 1 to 7 looks like big jump but Germany 10 to 80 and then drop to 40 looks less than for example Romania.
Everyone knows that.
Same way that everyone knows exactly who is the final client for that company in Turkey very near the Iran border that orders a LOT of stuff from Europe.
In business people just want to do money and continue with their lives.
Wow, interesting why we can see this spikes in 2022, very interesting, we will never get it why🤔
Duh, Kyrgyzstan needs those 20 000 thermal tank aiming devices for itself, why not sell them?
Yea, well, there is that.
However, imagine this:
Russia js buying stuff from eu for 5/piece
Sanctions->solutions->russia is buying stuff from (Kyrgyz) eu for 7/piece
Russia is selling stuff to eu for 5/piece
Sanctions->russia is selling stuff to eu for 1/piece
Russia is burning money to keep people and the country in shape, and avoid internal conflicts.
Weak, divided, cynical, and spoiled… so many fine words but so few facts, Draghi was right. The entire European political elite never gave a damn.
Had to zoom in to find out that this is a super obscure niche thing that isn’t a source of shame in the slightest.
The Netherlands: ”Challenge Accepted!”
Sanctions aren’t about completely stopping trade, they’re about turning every shipment into a costly and complicated obstacle course for Russia
If we wanted to completely halt all trade involving Russian goods, then the citizens of our countries would have to accept permanently high energy bills (for their houses) and gas prices (for their cars).
The citizens – not the companies or the billionaires or the energy conglomerates or whatever entity people on social media scream “make THEM pay the difference and not us”.
Have you seen this happening so far? Have you seen people accept that this is a worthy trade off, or have you seen them rush to the embraces of the far-right who is promising cheaper cost of life prices rathern than “paying for Ukraine’s war” etc.?
That’s main function of Krgyzstan.
Even before 2022 they acted as a conduit for Iran for importing sanctioned goods like aircrafts for example.
That’s how one of the ex German government planes ended up with Mahan Air (IRGC affiliated carrier).
And people from these countries will still advocate for kicking slovakia and hungary out of the EU for importing Russian energy.
Different Y axes per plot, manipulative post warning
I’m sorry, but the displayed like this, it is quite a bit misleading, not that the increases are good, but your axis are not the same.
Germany goes from ~10 to 80, Poland 1 -> 30, Czech from ~1 -> 20, Netherlands 2-3 -> 20
Italy ~1 -> 50, Austria ~1 -> 8, Spain ~1 -> 5, Belgium ~1 -> 20,
Bulgaria ~0 -> 10, Slovakia ~0 -> 18, Romania -> ~0 -> 7, Slovenia ~1 -> 4
Not that it is great, but misrepresenting it like that is misleading.
We should just stop trading with half the world?
Kick Hungary out!
Errr wrong thread
You people forced this. And it’s not about trade in sanctioned products: to facilitate Russia-EU trade for even simple things like ordinary tech stuff, we end up having to use Kyrgyzstan, Armenia, Kazakhstan and even China.
I mean, how did you think this would pan out? Do you think businesses that have production in Russia would just give up, pack up shop and close? Umm, sorry to break it to you, but we all gotta eat. So yeah, any time you’re in Latvia and see a Russian railway carriage with a Finland flag on it and “International Carriage” written on it, take a pause, just for a second, and ask yourself what this could possibly be for.
Idiots.
In a sense this is good news. It means that everybody needs everybody else to function properly. Total war is not possible anymore as world would simply stop.
Sanctions are never 100% full-proof.
Below is U.S Trade with Russia in 2024 under Biden before our Fuhrer took power in 2025 .
> U.S. goods and services trade with Russia totaled an estimated $5.2 billion in 2024, down 25.8 percent ($1.8 billion) from 2023.
>U.S. total goods trade (exports plus imports) with Russia was an estimated $3.5 billion in 2024. U.S. goods exports to the Russia in 2024 were $528.3 million, down 11.8 percent ($70.5 million) from 2023. U.S. goods imports from Russia 2024 totaled $3.0 billion, down 34.2 percent ($1.6 billion) from 2023. The U.S. goods trade deficit with Russia was $2.4 billion in 2024, a 37.6 percent decrease ($1.5 billion) over 2023.
Source :
https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/europe-middle-east/russia-and-eurasia/russia?
We have decades of evidence showing that economic sanctions don’t work… But thanks god we have Ursula.. who is showing Russia that with the 19th sanctions package we are dead serious
https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-ursula-von-der-leyen-new-19-sanction-package-russia-putin-early-september-zelenskyy-war-ukraine/