The majority of degrees are useless. How about pushing Apprenticeships so school leavers can train for a lifelong skill that pays very well?
maxhaton on
They need to bail them out long enough to get the current cohort through and then just let them fail, the dream of having everyone go to uni has obviously failed / achieved nothing
timothyevans29 on
Uni degrees are pointless, never met anyone who actually used them
No-Potential-7242 on
This is a crisis at many levels and yet it seems like no one in a position to be heard is challenging the usual idiots who are saying that some universities need to go bust because we shouldn’t be educating so many people. Or that everyone should be doing STEM.
I’m about as STEMmy as it gets. My degrees are all from well-known and competitive institutions. Yet I think, like most of my colleagues do, that we educate too few people. It is 2025 and there should not be school-of-lifers anymore. That is, the people who bleat, either from ignorance or insecurity, that kids don’t need an education and universities are bad should have been shamed into silence decades ago. It’s only in the UK that this sort of ignorance persists and it hurts everyone.
1. Yes, we need more STEM opportunities. The reason we don’t have them is 14 years of Tories. British people seem to think that we don’t have more STEM workers because kids aren’t good enough to get into university, but what is actually happening is that there aren’t enough places. If you voted Tory, you are responsible.
What this means is that we thieve hordes of foreign workers whose own taxpayers paid to train them while condemning our own kids to hard, unstable lives in retail or hospitality. In many fields (like mine), decently paid, stable jobs go to foreigners and our own kids are shut out because we don’t provide opportunities for them to get an education, not only at university but also at school. All of the programmes that worked so well under the last Labour government for providing kids not only with decent school education but also basic life skills and soft skills and other opportunities have been shut down.
2. Insecure bloviators love to sh*t on non-STEM degrees but people who actually have “hard” degrees and are good at what they do don’t do that. We need an educated populace. There are all kinds of skills that almost any degree gives people. People who do administrative and other support work where I work and who have degrees in whatever make my life a lot easier and my work much more efficient than do people with no higher education. It’s 2025 and we are competing with countries where there are much better and more training opportunities.
By shutting people out of education and continuing to important huge numbers of foreigners, we’re hurting our own kids and ourselves. Foreigners focus on learning the language and integrating into society. People who already have those skills and connections can focus more easily on starting businesses and innovating, which leads to better jobs for all kinds of workers.
The bottom line is that the problem is NOT that we have too many universities and degree opportunities, but far too few for a successful modern economy. The problem is that the government (and many voters) has REMOVED vast amounts of funding and has not invested in education.
Vaxtez on
I do wonder which unis these are?
Gonna guess Coventry, Kent, London South Bank are on that list.
BaBeBaBeBooby on
Not surprised, I’ve no idea why people pay to go to uni to earn slightly above minimum wage. You can do that without accruing any debt.
spicyketchup2024 on
Any UK university not ranked in the world top 500 by either THES or QS should be shut down. This would allow the research heavy schools to remain well funded.
Manoj109 on
Why not have a pricing model for different degrees?
So some stem degrees will cost more than say a Humanities degree.
Why should the humanities student subsides the STEM student who will likely earn more upon graduation?
Some will argue that this will put off students from doing STEM degrees.
Crumplesnitches on
They deserve to go bust if extorting foreign students was their business model
GunstarGreen on
I lecture at a university as a freelancer. I did a few open days for them. I cannot tell you how much theyre pushing recruitment. Its massive. Theyre spending big on wooing these kids. Domino’s pizza, drinks, snacks. They’re just desperate to get bodies through the door. We had a poor recruitment two years ago and they cant survive on low numbers again. Its a business, and prospective students are our customers.
PrincePupBoi on
There’s great disparity in the the finances of university. Some are utterly rolling in cash (and it might not be the ones you think) some are obviously doing shit.
Lots of unis who may not bring at thr top of tables have much better good employment rates but are now struggling because they don’t focus as much on research and the grants that come with it.
therealhairykrishna on
Not really surprising. At the university I work at it costs something like 12 grand a year to teach an average student. For my degree, physics, it’s over 20k/year. Now there’s not enough foreign students to top up the UK ones it’s hemorrhaging money at a crazy rate.
Nervous_Designer_894 on
We wanted less immigration, but now act surprised when international students are wary of coming here due to perceived racism.
cjc1983 on
My wife works at a uni. She says the waste and clerical staff with very average capabilities is on par with the NHS.
yojimbo_beta on
I am amazed Sheffield Hallam are still solvent, given their expensive Barnet campus and the recent scandal about them dipping into staff pensions.
18 commenti
This was the inevitable result of relying on international student fees for so long and expanding cohorts way too much. What an absolute mess.
[deleted]
It was “up to 10” in February, so the situation is at least improving….
[https://inews.co.uk/news/education/ten-universities-could-go-bust-risky-private-teaching-3546527](https://inews.co.uk/news/education/ten-universities-could-go-bust-risky-private-teaching-3546527)
The majority of degrees are useless. How about pushing Apprenticeships so school leavers can train for a lifelong skill that pays very well?
They need to bail them out long enough to get the current cohort through and then just let them fail, the dream of having everyone go to uni has obviously failed / achieved nothing
Uni degrees are pointless, never met anyone who actually used them
This is a crisis at many levels and yet it seems like no one in a position to be heard is challenging the usual idiots who are saying that some universities need to go bust because we shouldn’t be educating so many people. Or that everyone should be doing STEM.
I’m about as STEMmy as it gets. My degrees are all from well-known and competitive institutions. Yet I think, like most of my colleagues do, that we educate too few people. It is 2025 and there should not be school-of-lifers anymore. That is, the people who bleat, either from ignorance or insecurity, that kids don’t need an education and universities are bad should have been shamed into silence decades ago. It’s only in the UK that this sort of ignorance persists and it hurts everyone.
1. Yes, we need more STEM opportunities. The reason we don’t have them is 14 years of Tories. British people seem to think that we don’t have more STEM workers because kids aren’t good enough to get into university, but what is actually happening is that there aren’t enough places. If you voted Tory, you are responsible.
What this means is that we thieve hordes of foreign workers whose own taxpayers paid to train them while condemning our own kids to hard, unstable lives in retail or hospitality. In many fields (like mine), decently paid, stable jobs go to foreigners and our own kids are shut out because we don’t provide opportunities for them to get an education, not only at university but also at school. All of the programmes that worked so well under the last Labour government for providing kids not only with decent school education but also basic life skills and soft skills and other opportunities have been shut down.
2. Insecure bloviators love to sh*t on non-STEM degrees but people who actually have “hard” degrees and are good at what they do don’t do that. We need an educated populace. There are all kinds of skills that almost any degree gives people. People who do administrative and other support work where I work and who have degrees in whatever make my life a lot easier and my work much more efficient than do people with no higher education. It’s 2025 and we are competing with countries where there are much better and more training opportunities.
By shutting people out of education and continuing to important huge numbers of foreigners, we’re hurting our own kids and ourselves. Foreigners focus on learning the language and integrating into society. People who already have those skills and connections can focus more easily on starting businesses and innovating, which leads to better jobs for all kinds of workers.
The bottom line is that the problem is NOT that we have too many universities and degree opportunities, but far too few for a successful modern economy. The problem is that the government (and many voters) has REMOVED vast amounts of funding and has not invested in education.
I do wonder which unis these are?
Gonna guess Coventry, Kent, London South Bank are on that list.
Not surprised, I’ve no idea why people pay to go to uni to earn slightly above minimum wage. You can do that without accruing any debt.
Any UK university not ranked in the world top 500 by either THES or QS should be shut down. This would allow the research heavy schools to remain well funded.
Why not have a pricing model for different degrees?
So some stem degrees will cost more than say a Humanities degree.
Why should the humanities student subsides the STEM student who will likely earn more upon graduation?
Some will argue that this will put off students from doing STEM degrees.
They deserve to go bust if extorting foreign students was their business model
I lecture at a university as a freelancer. I did a few open days for them. I cannot tell you how much theyre pushing recruitment. Its massive. Theyre spending big on wooing these kids. Domino’s pizza, drinks, snacks. They’re just desperate to get bodies through the door. We had a poor recruitment two years ago and they cant survive on low numbers again. Its a business, and prospective students are our customers.
There’s great disparity in the the finances of university. Some are utterly rolling in cash (and it might not be the ones you think) some are obviously doing shit.
Lots of unis who may not bring at thr top of tables have much better good employment rates but are now struggling because they don’t focus as much on research and the grants that come with it.
Not really surprising. At the university I work at it costs something like 12 grand a year to teach an average student. For my degree, physics, it’s over 20k/year. Now there’s not enough foreign students to top up the UK ones it’s hemorrhaging money at a crazy rate.
We wanted less immigration, but now act surprised when international students are wary of coming here due to perceived racism.
My wife works at a uni. She says the waste and clerical staff with very average capabilities is on par with the NHS.
I am amazed Sheffield Hallam are still solvent, given their expensive Barnet campus and the recent scandal about them dipping into staff pensions.