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di Cromedix
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Home page: https://fightchatcontrol.eu
To create the mail click “contact your MEPs”
If I had a Euro for every time some online petition warned me that internet freedom was about to end, I wouldn’t have to work anymore.
Welp, welcome to the bright future, not necessarily with controlled chat apps, but probably with the right parties who are going to capitalize on “protecting society from those commies who want to take your internet freedom.”
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hope there’s room for a balanced discussion on privacy and safety
I’m sick of this fearmongering. Yes, it’s bad. Yes, it should be immedeately repealed or not go through at all. No, it is not the end of the western world. It’s just a step in the wrong direction. Get in the game, guys, don’t be the boy that cried wolf.
This will just push people towards illegal platforms, where they will be exposed to even more harmful content. European leaders are a bunch of old morons.
Honest question because I don’t know, would this actually help catching the bad guys? Am I sacrificing my privacy for something good? Trying to determine how angry I should be
As I understand, the Danish Social Democrats (part of the current government coalition in DK) are the ones that are really pushing for this. They have already received plenty of warnings from experts who propose that they scale up on real IT manpower at the police if they want to fight terrorism and online child abuse.
According to experts on the topic, Apple had similar plans about a decade ago, but they gave up on the idea, as they realised it would trigger far too many false positives – and probably wouldn’t catch any pedophiles or terrorists anyway (these groups rarely use Outlook, Facebook Messenger and Gmail to communicate ;)), and that it would generate far too many false positves (parents sending pictures sending photos of their kids to friends and family etc.).
The classic warning sign that politicians are trying to hide their real agenda is always when they refer to “the fight against terrorism/pedophiles” to gain support for legislation.
This sub may like this one.
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Crazy how this flies under the radar of most people
I feel like there’s more to this story if you’re calling it ‘scanning’.
A mail made by AI to which they will answer with AI is going to change what, exactly?
Maybe, next time, avoid voting morons at best, traitors of your own rights at worst, to represent you in the EU.
Chances that this will pass are slim.
This is how democracy works: any brain dead politician can propose retarded shit like this, but without a majority in parliament it’s simply not passing. A proposal is just what it is: an idea. After a proposal, a whole machinery is put into work, including expert advices, to prevent crazy shit from happening.
Still, it’s good to make your voice heard at https://fightchatcontrol.eu/#contact-tool but also don’t panic (yet).
How can they scan it if its encrypted?
How can they break encryption? Then it is not encryption anymore. How can they make two private Keys, one for you and one for the backdoor?
Im doing my part
isnt there a risk that it goes straight to the spam?
I sincerely hope (and also believe), that if this passes, a quick trial will render the law null pretty soon by the european jury since it violates some constituent rule of the eu… Nonetheless the fact that they are even trying to enact this is a worrying sign of the times we live in. They will eventually do this.
If you think that people using 3 minutes of their time is sufficient to stop legislation from passing, you are deluding yourself.
The entire “Fight Chat Control” movement fundamentally kneecapped itself by resorting to the approved tools of our oppressors. No amount of writing to your representative is going to lead to any form of change. The only way for average, working people to stop politicians from taking away our fundamental rights is to actually organize a mass movement. Protesting is not convenient, that’s just the reality of the situation. If you want your voice to be heard, you have to demonstrate en masse, you have to organize, you have to go on strike (or threaten to), you have to sharpen your pitchforks, and you and your buddies have to show up at the homes of your representatives. **You must make them fear you**.
This does not threaten only privacy rights, but abolishes reasonable suspicion based on facts as necessary grounds for starting a criminal investigation, and replaces that principle with conjecture or assumption. Furthermore, it declares each and every citizen to be a criminal suspect with no recourse for that citizen to remove the suspicion. It opens a door for investigations without cause, and then cancellation of the presumption of innocence. It is a pathway to a society of total control.
The beacon of democracy…..The EU
Unpopular opinion, so what?!
Do you have anything to hide?! If you are concerned about your gallery pics, it’s cute that you think Apple Cloud, or Google Cloud are secure and invincible against data leaks 😂
So social media shares your data, cloud storage leaks your private pics, and you are against a government approach against massive attacks or to hunt the predators and keep your kids safe?! Yeah I agree they might using it for more, but at least we are getting something in return.
What are you getting from Zuckerberg?? 😜
I’m in favor of it… drive effin fascists back to back rooms and without such a wide propaganda network.
To be fair, internet freedom should not be a thing.. look where it has gotten is…
Privacy should definitely be a thing..
How to combine those.. no idea..
Can someone explain what chats this applies to?
As far as I understand right now only Germany has to oppose it and it will not pass. I can see on the website that they are still largely undecided with some opposing. How is it about to become reality? Kind of scared me.
Anyways, send them emails Germans and others whose MPs don’t oppose!
Here is the bigger picture that is somehow completely overlooked ever since this discussion began:
Kids send pics to their friends. Kids are also stupid. Teens also experiment and do inappropriate shit.
When an AI will detect alleged CSAM, it will then be manually reviewed by a human agent.
There’s gonna be so many kids and teens that will be viewed by an agent and then be vulnerable.
There’s going to be a headline sometime in our future.. “40 year old corrupt agent arrested and sentenced for saving hundreds of GB of CSAM from manual CSAM scan result reviewing”.
It will be a pedos paradise to get a line of work there or hope for a data breach.
The biggest issue with this is… well, there are several. Lets give the top 3.
1) Its not going to be EU scanning stuff, which i could, if threatened with a gun, agree to, if there were clear guidlines, transparent choice of agency, rotating roster from all eu countries etc. Its going to fall to each state. How much do you trust the states today, with clear shift to authoritanism and.media control in many eu countries? Are they going to create an ubiased commision to carefully curate how it is used, or, as usual, give more power to police/secret service etc. and “do stuff to protect the national interest and morality of the youth?
2) It will have to go through an actual human at some point. With the 10k’s of false positives (sexting, people sending photos of child skin issues to docs atc) how many people will that require? How will the privacy be handled?
3) Many edge cases – a young person of 18 years will send their naked photos to their partner. The algorithm has no chance of knowing their age. So, police will have to be involved, identify the person in the picture and verify their age. Now, you have a database of sensitive pictures with their identities attached. I hope no bad actor will use their newlyfound power to blackmail a politician by their children pictures…
3.5) All.of the above + hackers. If giant tech corporations cant fully.protect their clouds etc. and leaks happen periodicaly, how will a small state with propensity.of giving IT tenders to people.from their family regardless of quality assure that nothing gets hacked and leaked?
Im all for preventing terorism and arresting molesters but this will.create.huge privacy issues, with very little actual benefit in my opinion.
With mandate from a judge this is being done since … ever, classic mail included.
I don’t think they can change the laws.
As someone else put it: being ok with your messages scanned because you have nothing to hide is like being against free speech because you have nothing to say.
Hope it can change something
I would send, because I read proposals (there were several, all rejected in last 3.5 years) and I dont like them.
But I will not send, because now someone decided to spread blatant lies, claiming things that arent in proposals.
I strongly beleive that in democracy one should discuss things and fight for political goals without bullshiting and lying.
Proposals (especially last Danish one) are bad enough with what they actually propose, lying about what they *dont* propose is not the way.