How do schools work with phones these days? I remember a long time ago we were not meant to bring them into class rooms. We were expected to either leave them at home or put them in your locker. No one followed that rule but it was the rule.
Express-Doughnut-562 on
Many parents give their kids phones because they walk home from school alone for safety. Could it be that those parents that have the time/money to pick their child up every day (and thus don’t need a phone) are the ones who are also able to afford to help their kids a bit more?
As with everything, the key is boundaries and parental controls. The settings on iPhones and android phones are really good these days; I can set windows for certain apps and contacts that need my device to change them. So during the day they can only message family; after a certain time in the evening it’s more open and after 9pm it’s nothing at all.
Majestic-Pea1982 on
Not sure about this one – **”Ms Birbalsingh claimed pupils who don’t own smartphones are more likely to rise into the top sets, while those with phones often get bumped down.”**.
Correlation doesn’t equal causation. It’s much more likely that kids who don’t have smartphones aren’t allowed one by their parents and are from stricter households with a much higher emphasis on a good education.
You could probably find plenty of things like this – kids who don’t vape do better, kids who don’t play fortnite do better, kids who don’t watch TV do better, etc. It doesn’t necessarily mean banning those things would make those kids do any better, it’s mostly down to the attitude and ability of the parents.
Mail-Malone on
Signal blockers, that’s stop mobil phone use in schools with little to no effort.
dj4y_94 on
Maybe it’s due to a different phone culture these days making it harder to implement but when I was in school it was simply a case of you could have your phone on you but if you were caught using it, it was confiscated until the end of the day when a parent would have to come collect it.
It worked as students would still go on their phones away from teachers but it stopped flagrant flouting in the class causing disruptions.
I don’t think you don’t need to go to such extremes as outright banning phones on school grounds.
MoMxPhotos on
Don’t know why schools don’t just do like the hospitals do, have a signal jammer and force users to use their access.
For instance, my local hospital at Southport, the moment you walk in through their doors all 3g/4g/5g 100% dead.
You can’t access their net unless you turn off your VPN and any public DNS you have activated like adguard etc.
You have to log into their guest access, and even if you then reactivate your own DNS you still can’t bypass sites, and to use a VPN you have to set it up to use obfuscation so it can’t detect that you are using one, a feature that is not available on any free VPN’s or proxies that I’ve come across as yet. (Waits for someone to reply with links to say here you go lol)
If the schools used something like that, they could then setup a guest access for the kids and use a whitelist system so they can only access sites that the school allows for the lessons, so unless the kids have any apps that work completely offline and don’t need to phone home for genuine verification etc, their phones are pretty much just a paperweight with a camera attached to it.
Also, if a kid is that desperate to use their phone that they are willing to jump through that many hoops just to use it in class, they have much bigger problems to deal with than being educated in school.
Fluid_Programmer_193 on
The idea of limiting the use of smartphones shouldn’t just be restricted to children. There are far too many adults using their phones constantly. Nothing makes me cringe more than seeing 40 year olds on TikTok.
fameistheproduct on
I doubt she’s anywhere close to “Britain’s strictest headteacher” but everyone needs a grift these days.
sillysimon92 on
I don’t like a lot of her points and methods, I genuinely think behind it all she mostly is grifting and playing up a character.
What she does do right is the relationship between the school and the parents, the school has such a reputation that any parent that isn’t behind it won’t touch it. The grades will be high due to that more so the performative stuff.
If every school did the same they’d either get a parent revolt or you’ll have to pay 3x the staff 3x the going rate to stay and police it.
But it’s the parents that are the deciding factor. If a parent raises their kid to not respect the school and refuses to work with the school then no amount of Victorian nonsense will fix that.
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How do schools work with phones these days? I remember a long time ago we were not meant to bring them into class rooms. We were expected to either leave them at home or put them in your locker. No one followed that rule but it was the rule.
Many parents give their kids phones because they walk home from school alone for safety. Could it be that those parents that have the time/money to pick their child up every day (and thus don’t need a phone) are the ones who are also able to afford to help their kids a bit more?
As with everything, the key is boundaries and parental controls. The settings on iPhones and android phones are really good these days; I can set windows for certain apps and contacts that need my device to change them. So during the day they can only message family; after a certain time in the evening it’s more open and after 9pm it’s nothing at all.
Not sure about this one – **”Ms Birbalsingh claimed pupils who don’t own smartphones are more likely to rise into the top sets, while those with phones often get bumped down.”**.
Correlation doesn’t equal causation. It’s much more likely that kids who don’t have smartphones aren’t allowed one by their parents and are from stricter households with a much higher emphasis on a good education.
You could probably find plenty of things like this – kids who don’t vape do better, kids who don’t play fortnite do better, kids who don’t watch TV do better, etc. It doesn’t necessarily mean banning those things would make those kids do any better, it’s mostly down to the attitude and ability of the parents.
Signal blockers, that’s stop mobil phone use in schools with little to no effort.
Maybe it’s due to a different phone culture these days making it harder to implement but when I was in school it was simply a case of you could have your phone on you but if you were caught using it, it was confiscated until the end of the day when a parent would have to come collect it.
It worked as students would still go on their phones away from teachers but it stopped flagrant flouting in the class causing disruptions.
I don’t think you don’t need to go to such extremes as outright banning phones on school grounds.
Don’t know why schools don’t just do like the hospitals do, have a signal jammer and force users to use their access.
For instance, my local hospital at Southport, the moment you walk in through their doors all 3g/4g/5g 100% dead.
You can’t access their net unless you turn off your VPN and any public DNS you have activated like adguard etc.
You have to log into their guest access, and even if you then reactivate your own DNS you still can’t bypass sites, and to use a VPN you have to set it up to use obfuscation so it can’t detect that you are using one, a feature that is not available on any free VPN’s or proxies that I’ve come across as yet. (Waits for someone to reply with links to say here you go lol)
If the schools used something like that, they could then setup a guest access for the kids and use a whitelist system so they can only access sites that the school allows for the lessons, so unless the kids have any apps that work completely offline and don’t need to phone home for genuine verification etc, their phones are pretty much just a paperweight with a camera attached to it.
Also, if a kid is that desperate to use their phone that they are willing to jump through that many hoops just to use it in class, they have much bigger problems to deal with than being educated in school.
The idea of limiting the use of smartphones shouldn’t just be restricted to children. There are far too many adults using their phones constantly. Nothing makes me cringe more than seeing 40 year olds on TikTok.
I doubt she’s anywhere close to “Britain’s strictest headteacher” but everyone needs a grift these days.
I don’t like a lot of her points and methods, I genuinely think behind it all she mostly is grifting and playing up a character.
What she does do right is the relationship between the school and the parents, the school has such a reputation that any parent that isn’t behind it won’t touch it. The grades will be high due to that more so the performative stuff.
If every school did the same they’d either get a parent revolt or you’ll have to pay 3x the staff 3x the going rate to stay and police it.
But it’s the parents that are the deciding factor. If a parent raises their kid to not respect the school and refuses to work with the school then no amount of Victorian nonsense will fix that.