makes sense for europe to strengthen air defenses given the current situation
Nomorechildishshit on
“On Europe”
…he speaks of “joint defense” over “European skies”. So essentially he wants air defense troops of other countries to be deployed to Ukraine. I’m amazed by his inability to understand that troops deployment in Ukraine just won’t happen.
Of course the European leaders will “strongly agree” with such statements, nothing will actually happen, and we are off to the next insanity
coprosperityglobal on
Drone wall…….
veleso91 on
Does this involve a bunch of meetings, dinners, and photoshoots? If not, EU bureaucrats won’t be interested.
Dennisthefirst on
Sometimes, the best form of defence might be a coordinated offence.
It’ll take years and will cost lots of money, which countries aren’t willing to really spend that easily as it’d end up in very few pockets:
Short range: Skyranger 30 – Germany, Rheinmetal
Medium range: primarily IRIS-T SLM, Germany, Diehl / Sweden, Saab
Long range: MIM-104 Patriot, USA, Raytheon / Lockheed Martin / Boeing
Very long range (exoatmospheric): Arrow 3, Israel, Israel Aerospace Industries / USA, Boeing
And if we’re thinking whole Europe, we’re talking hundreds billions of EUR. With not only so much of the cake going to so few companies, from even fewer countries and some of them outside of EU is kinda…
mertseger67 on
I have just read that house in poland was destroyed by AIM-120 and note drone. The amount of fake neuws in EU just amazed me.
dat_9600gt_user on
**President Volodymyr Zelenskyy called on Europe to push forward with an air defense umbrella after Russia again** [**bombarded**](https://www.radiosvoboda.org/a/news-zelenskyi-tramp-putin/33531764.html) **the Ukrainian city of Zaporizhzhya, injuring at least 13 people, including two children.**
Zelenskyy said in a social media post on September 16 that Russian rockets “struck deliberately to terrorize our people,” damaging “many residential buildings” in the process.
He added that since the beginning of September, more than 3,500 drones and nearly 190 missiles, along with more than 2,500 aerial bombs, have been launched by Moscow at targets inside Ukraine, as well as “provocations against our partners.”
“This is precisely the kind of aerial terror against which Ukraine is calling for joint defense — so that no one has to scramble combat aircraft in haste and feel Russia’s pressure on their borders,” Zelenskyy wrote.
“Now is the time to implement the joint protection of our European skies with a multilayered air defense system. All the technologies for this are already in place. What is needed are investments and determination — strong actions and decisions from all our partners.”
The issue of defending against Russia’s drone capability, which has risen dramatically over the more than three years it has been fighting against Ukraine, has become a major talking point after more than a dozen Russian drones made an incursion into Poland last week, followed by another violation of NATO airspace by a Russian drone in Romania.
European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen’s annual state of the European Union speech this week made it clear the bloc needs to up its drone defense when she committed to a 6 billion euro loan to enter a “drone alliance” with Ukraine.
She floated an “Eastern Flank Watch” that she said will provide “real-time space surveillance” to track all aerial movement from the Baltic to the Black Sea.
Von der Leyen also committed to building “a drone wall” — something her own commission initially refused to fund when Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania asked for European cash earlier this year for such a venture.
There are few details about all this just yet: no concrete budget figures, precise geographical scope, or timeline other than that the European Commission is expected to present a roadmap with new common defense projects in October.
“In these border countries we need to create a ‘drone wall’ together with Ukraine and include Ukraine in this project,” European Commissioner for Defense and Space Andrius Kubilius told the Ukrainian news agency Ukrinform on September 15.
The problem is that Europe is buying these from American factories. How is that helping us? We’re spending 10 billion in the next couple of years on American weapon systems for Ukraine while fueling the American economy and having nothing to show for it in the EU.
Europe needs to be independent from other nations when it’s providing safety and security for the democratic states in our near orbit.
stupendous76 on
Just be smart for once and make sure it will also protect against rockets and US-weapons, we’re gonna need it sooner or later.
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makes sense for europe to strengthen air defenses given the current situation
“On Europe”
…he speaks of “joint defense” over “European skies”. So essentially he wants air defense troops of other countries to be deployed to Ukraine. I’m amazed by his inability to understand that troops deployment in Ukraine just won’t happen.
Of course the European leaders will “strongly agree” with such statements, nothing will actually happen, and we are off to the next insanity
Drone wall…….
Does this involve a bunch of meetings, dinners, and photoshoots? If not, EU bureaucrats won’t be interested.
Sometimes, the best form of defence might be a coordinated offence.
Huh? There is one though:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Sky_Shield_Initiative#Capability
It’ll take years and will cost lots of money, which countries aren’t willing to really spend that easily as it’d end up in very few pockets:
Short range: Skyranger 30 – Germany, Rheinmetal
Medium range: primarily IRIS-T SLM, Germany, Diehl / Sweden, Saab
Long range: MIM-104 Patriot, USA, Raytheon / Lockheed Martin / Boeing
Very long range (exoatmospheric): Arrow 3, Israel, Israel Aerospace Industries / USA, Boeing
And if we’re thinking whole Europe, we’re talking hundreds billions of EUR. With not only so much of the cake going to so few companies, from even fewer countries and some of them outside of EU is kinda…
I have just read that house in poland was destroyed by AIM-120 and note drone. The amount of fake neuws in EU just amazed me.
**President Volodymyr Zelenskyy called on Europe to push forward with an air defense umbrella after Russia again** [**bombarded**](https://www.radiosvoboda.org/a/news-zelenskyi-tramp-putin/33531764.html) **the Ukrainian city of Zaporizhzhya, injuring at least 13 people, including two children.**
Zelenskyy said in a social media post on September 16 that Russian rockets “struck deliberately to terrorize our people,” damaging “many residential buildings” in the process.
He added that since the beginning of September, more than 3,500 drones and nearly 190 missiles, along with more than 2,500 aerial bombs, have been launched by Moscow at targets inside Ukraine, as well as “provocations against our partners.”
“This is precisely the kind of aerial terror against which Ukraine is calling for joint defense — so that no one has to scramble combat aircraft in haste and feel Russia’s pressure on their borders,” Zelenskyy wrote.
“Now is the time to implement the joint protection of our European skies with a multilayered air defense system. All the technologies for this are already in place. What is needed are investments and determination — strong actions and decisions from all our partners.”
The issue of defending against Russia’s drone capability, which has risen dramatically over the more than three years it has been fighting against Ukraine, has become a major talking point after more than a dozen Russian drones made an incursion into Poland last week, followed by another violation of NATO airspace by a Russian drone in Romania.
European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen’s annual state of the European Union speech this week made it clear the bloc needs to up its drone defense when she committed to a 6 billion euro loan to enter a “drone alliance” with Ukraine.
She floated an “Eastern Flank Watch” that she said will provide “real-time space surveillance” to track all aerial movement from the Baltic to the Black Sea.
Von der Leyen also committed to building “a drone wall” — something her own commission initially refused to fund when Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania asked for European cash earlier this year for such a venture.
There are few details about all this just yet: no concrete budget figures, precise geographical scope, or timeline other than that the European Commission is expected to present a roadmap with new common defense projects in October.
“In these border countries we need to create a ‘drone wall’ together with Ukraine and include Ukraine in this project,” European Commissioner for Defense and Space Andrius Kubilius told the Ukrainian news agency Ukrinform on September 15.
Earlier on September 16 Zelenskyy told Sky News in an [**interview**](https://news.sky.com/story/zelenskyy-makes-demand-of-trump-and-issues-warning-to-nato-13431947) that a “clear position” is needed from US President Donald Trump on sanctions against Russia and for security guarantees for Ukraine.
The problem is that Europe is buying these from American factories. How is that helping us? We’re spending 10 billion in the next couple of years on American weapon systems for Ukraine while fueling the American economy and having nothing to show for it in the EU.
Europe needs to be independent from other nations when it’s providing safety and security for the democratic states in our near orbit.
Just be smart for once and make sure it will also protect against rockets and US-weapons, we’re gonna need it sooner or later.