It’s almost like we’re not keeping up with the promise of infinite growth on a finite world. Oh well, I’m sure successive generations will solve the problem, it won’t affect me that much, right?
Such_Astronomer35 on
Let me guess. The solution is mass immigration instead of better conditions to start families?
no_va_det_mye on
This is basically the whole developed world.
Andreas1120 on
Why is a population drop considered bad. Every problem in the world is caused by humans.
Terrible-Duck4953 on
You can see in the comments that nobody has ever read an economics book.
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bayman81 on
Who cares. Large growing population will soon be a liability instead of an asset.
Alert-Double9416 on
This is also happening in many developing countries like China, India,Thailand, Vietnam, etc….If you look at the replacement rate map, basically only African countries have above replacement rate.
MyPinkFlipFlops on
All of us not just Finland
Travelogue on
Isn’t the blue parts mostly where everyone in Finland lives?
Vatnik_Annihilator on
I have a solution! Just bring in millions of Palestinian refugees and ask them nicely not to start a civil war in a few years.
Familiar-Regular-531 on
Ok, someone please explain. Half the news are like AI/robots will take most of the jobs & we have declining population witch also is a problem because we dont have people to do the jobs.
Both cant be real.
Shouldnt those 2 problems solve each other, wtf? Lets not import unqualified people here, rather make robots?
The fucking amount of fear mongering in the media is out of hand!
tortiesrock on
The real problem is that raising children is too time consuming. And the current parenting style, is not helping it.
– Better work-life balance or let children stay for longer at the school for free. Free breakfast, lunch and afternoon activities.
– Let children be alone from 10 onwards: go to school, do some errands, go to the park. People are calling the police or social services when they see a children by themselves and we are creating cities where people do not feel safe so they are stuck at home with children.
– Keep families together so people can live close to their parents and siblings so they can have a security network. If every young person must go to the capital city to have a chance at life you are forcing them to sever ties to family. Remote work, better public transport…
a_dude_from_europe on
How about we change our systems to be resilient to population oscillation instead of being built like fucking Ponzi schemes?
SweetAlyssumm on
People don’t want to have children and they also want to retire in comfort. That math doesn’t math. Someone has to do the work when you are too old. Good luck with AI doing the jobs that need to be done. Immigration doesn’t seem to work well in Europe so that’s out.
phobug on
Oh no, does that mean line won’t go up anymore? Good, this growth at all cost bs is getting tiring.
klautkollector on
finland will become the 4th baltic state 😀
Present_Plantain_163 on
It’s urbanisation and housing prices.
If you’re in an underdeveloped rural area you have plenty of land and you use kids as labour. And you don’t have any entertainment besides sex.
In cities land and housing are scarce and expensive, you don’t need extra farmhands, kids are a burden and require financial support well into their 30s-40s, and job markets can be oversaturated. Everyone prioritises education, career and personal life over having kids. And there’s endless cheap entertainment.
Aros125 on
Welcome more refugees! 😅
SlashRaven008 on
Less people is only bad for capitalism. It is fantastic for the planet, other animals, resource sharing and therefore better for quality of life. Scarcity is falsely created by the billionaires. We have the resources to feed and house everyone, and the mechanical muscle to replace aging workers. Look at those concerned about this – Musk is not a good advisor for policy, or anything tbh.
imnotabulgarian on
But then why there were “Don’t have children due to overpopulation” ads everywhere a decade ago.
Errtsee on
All in all it is all caused by a simple societal change – people are more self oriented, having kids is self-sacrifice. Society just doesn’t value kids anymore and a lot even hate them. See reddit threads about how flights should be child free etc, people screamingly never willing to accommodate children ever in the cost of their own comfort etc. Cost thing is a circlejerk. We are doomed probably.
Sky_Robin on
It’s okay, Russia will use the land as a resort site.
C4ndlejack on
Immigration can never replace an aging population. That’s not anti-migration rhetoric, it’s just a sheer numbers question.
eyewave on
It’s free real estate
InsideResident1085 on
declining populations are good, that’s supposed to be the goal. infinite growth is unsustainable and quite frankly stupid.
david_jason_54321 on
We need to figure out how to scale out institutions for population decrease
Manannanman on
Bs leftist propaganda. No we dont need them. Just let the system regulate itself it will be fine
Voeker on
Reasonable people don’t want children/can’t afford children anymore/realize this is a big comittment especially in today’s world.
Unreasonable people don’t care and just make babies.
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It’s almost like we’re not keeping up with the promise of infinite growth on a finite world. Oh well, I’m sure successive generations will solve the problem, it won’t affect me that much, right?
Let me guess. The solution is mass immigration instead of better conditions to start families?
This is basically the whole developed world.
Why is a population drop considered bad. Every problem in the world is caused by humans.
You can see in the comments that nobody has ever read an economics book.
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Who cares. Large growing population will soon be a liability instead of an asset.
This is also happening in many developing countries like China, India,Thailand, Vietnam, etc….If you look at the replacement rate map, basically only African countries have above replacement rate.
All of us not just Finland
Isn’t the blue parts mostly where everyone in Finland lives?
I have a solution! Just bring in millions of Palestinian refugees and ask them nicely not to start a civil war in a few years.
Ok, someone please explain. Half the news are like AI/robots will take most of the jobs & we have declining population witch also is a problem because we dont have people to do the jobs.
Both cant be real.
Shouldnt those 2 problems solve each other, wtf? Lets not import unqualified people here, rather make robots?
The fucking amount of fear mongering in the media is out of hand!
The real problem is that raising children is too time consuming. And the current parenting style, is not helping it.
– Better work-life balance or let children stay for longer at the school for free. Free breakfast, lunch and afternoon activities.
– Let children be alone from 10 onwards: go to school, do some errands, go to the park. People are calling the police or social services when they see a children by themselves and we are creating cities where people do not feel safe so they are stuck at home with children.
– Keep families together so people can live close to their parents and siblings so they can have a security network. If every young person must go to the capital city to have a chance at life you are forcing them to sever ties to family. Remote work, better public transport…
How about we change our systems to be resilient to population oscillation instead of being built like fucking Ponzi schemes?
People don’t want to have children and they also want to retire in comfort. That math doesn’t math. Someone has to do the work when you are too old. Good luck with AI doing the jobs that need to be done. Immigration doesn’t seem to work well in Europe so that’s out.
Oh no, does that mean line won’t go up anymore? Good, this growth at all cost bs is getting tiring.
finland will become the 4th baltic state 😀
It’s urbanisation and housing prices.
If you’re in an underdeveloped rural area you have plenty of land and you use kids as labour. And you don’t have any entertainment besides sex.
In cities land and housing are scarce and expensive, you don’t need extra farmhands, kids are a burden and require financial support well into their 30s-40s, and job markets can be oversaturated. Everyone prioritises education, career and personal life over having kids. And there’s endless cheap entertainment.
Welcome more refugees! 😅
Less people is only bad for capitalism. It is fantastic for the planet, other animals, resource sharing and therefore better for quality of life. Scarcity is falsely created by the billionaires. We have the resources to feed and house everyone, and the mechanical muscle to replace aging workers. Look at those concerned about this – Musk is not a good advisor for policy, or anything tbh.
But then why there were “Don’t have children due to overpopulation” ads everywhere a decade ago.
All in all it is all caused by a simple societal change – people are more self oriented, having kids is self-sacrifice. Society just doesn’t value kids anymore and a lot even hate them. See reddit threads about how flights should be child free etc, people screamingly never willing to accommodate children ever in the cost of their own comfort etc. Cost thing is a circlejerk. We are doomed probably.
It’s okay, Russia will use the land as a resort site.
Immigration can never replace an aging population. That’s not anti-migration rhetoric, it’s just a sheer numbers question.
It’s free real estate
declining populations are good, that’s supposed to be the goal. infinite growth is unsustainable and quite frankly stupid.
We need to figure out how to scale out institutions for population decrease
Bs leftist propaganda. No we dont need them. Just let the system regulate itself it will be fine
Reasonable people don’t want children/can’t afford children anymore/realize this is a big comittment especially in today’s world.
Unreasonable people don’t care and just make babies.
That’s how you get idiocracy