Given trump just got Kimmel cancelled, I reckon we cant get any worse than the Americans..
08148694 on
You can speak freely as long as you don’t say things I don’t like
UK free speech in a nutshell and Keir word salading his way around the issue is hilarious
GiftedGeordie on
**”I draw the line between free speech and speech of those that want to peddle paedophilia and suicide on social media to children; therefore I’m all for free speech, but I’m also for protecting children from things that will harm them”**
I’m not even mad about the ***”If you disagree with the Online Safety Bill then you’re a nonce”*** thing because we all know that it’s stupid and Labour have been throwing out that bullshit since the bill was passed, but I’m more worried about people that aren’t promoting self harm or suicide, but are instead using the internet to talk about their feelings and how they’re feeling.
You shouldn’t be allowed to promote someone taking their own life, but you also shouldn’t feel like you can’t talk about your dark feelings, as someone who’s felt like that before, bottling it up doesn’t help.
Dedsnotdead on
UK’s “Starmer” should give the Police some credible guidance, because at the moment they are being asked to do the impossible.
GuyLookingForPorn on
Americans love to hate on us for our free speech laws, but you know after looking America I’m very glad how we do things.
Kjrsv on
There has always been a legal limit on free speech, but if he thinks he’ll take away the right to protest and criticise the government, he’s wrong.
GuyLookingForPorn on
This post is going to get immediately swamped by Republicans.
newaccount252 on
‘Free speech’ to me these days basically means, can someone be racist without consequences.
saxbophone on
Yes, because unlike the Americans, most of us don’t think that hate speech or telling people to kill themselves should be legally protected speech!
Hopeful-Climate-3848 on
And that limit is “If Klemperer or Chalmers don’t like it.”
0ttoChriek on
Probably shouldn’t bring up pedophilia with Trump around. He’ll get Starmer taken off the air.
DrIvoPingasnik on
Who is Starmer to tell anyone what is the limit?
Ah yes, more censorship. That’s what he wants to be remembered for.
Vaxtez on
I agree with Starmer here. Yes, you can say what you want, but there is a point where your words can pose an issue. For instance, there’s 0 issue with thinking ‘This government is awful’ or ‘I don’t like this person’, but when your speech devolves into threats & all sorts of nasty things, then yes, damn right legal consequences will come from your words.
Amentet on
Trump following Starmer, after Starmer designated Palestine Action a Terrorist organisation which has caused the Police to romp around arresting anyone protesting Israel in a dampening effect on free speech.
Trump has now designated the entirely nebulous Antifi as a terrorist organisation even though it’s not actually an organisation at all but simply an umbrella term for anyone that protests against them.
Starmer must be kicking himself that he didn’t designate “Antiblairitewanker” as a terrorist group.
Porticulus on
He’s already nuked it with the OSA, and they want and are trying to go further. It gonna get much worse in the near future.
Caveman-Dave722 on
So not free speech then , at least he admits it now
Mountain_Evidence_93 on
By free speech he means as long as you agree with me.
BTW Starmer is a GAYBOI!
GainsAndPastries on
“….but there is a limit”
Is a very disturbing statement coming from the leader of the country.
andrew0256 on
Why are we comparing ourselves with America? Starmer is the UK PM and he is addressing stupidity like the arrest of the Irishman and the impact of the OSA.
Personally I think the problem is with the police rather than the legislation. It has always been their job to enforce the law but also be reasonable in their application of it. However they do seem to have become overzealous in recent years and don’t row back until a court or politician calls them out.
They police by consent and for most people an old fashioned bollocking off a copper is enough to keep you in line. For the over entitled and bolshy a night in the cells would suffice. That leaves the police free to deal with the serious offenders including the really nasty online nutters.
Yes we have freedom of speech but it has always been the case that inciteful or provocative speech in a public forum will get you in trouble. Social media has given gobshites more outlets and the police have to respond. Whenever somebody claims loudly the first test should be what else were the doing when they got arrested?
c8zmax67 on
Says the man that classified a protest group as a terrorist organisation and enabled the online safety act and tried to get apple to install a default back door vulnerability. Didn’t two people get arrested for projection of epstein and trump on a wall? Free speech my arse
Electronic-Ring-2518 on
Apparently that limit is projecting a photo of Trump and Epstein
sedationGuy on
After the new censorship bill that was applied, which is very vague, much like the ‘Islamphobia’ law that is trying to get pushed through.
Basically, they are giving the next government a very authoritarian set of laws that can be applied very easily.
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Given trump just got Kimmel cancelled, I reckon we cant get any worse than the Americans..
You can speak freely as long as you don’t say things I don’t like
UK free speech in a nutshell and Keir word salading his way around the issue is hilarious
**”I draw the line between free speech and speech of those that want to peddle paedophilia and suicide on social media to children; therefore I’m all for free speech, but I’m also for protecting children from things that will harm them”**
I’m not even mad about the ***”If you disagree with the Online Safety Bill then you’re a nonce”*** thing because we all know that it’s stupid and Labour have been throwing out that bullshit since the bill was passed, but I’m more worried about people that aren’t promoting self harm or suicide, but are instead using the internet to talk about their feelings and how they’re feeling.
You shouldn’t be allowed to promote someone taking their own life, but you also shouldn’t feel like you can’t talk about your dark feelings, as someone who’s felt like that before, bottling it up doesn’t help.
UK’s “Starmer” should give the Police some credible guidance, because at the moment they are being asked to do the impossible.
Americans love to hate on us for our free speech laws, but you know after looking America I’m very glad how we do things.
There has always been a legal limit on free speech, but if he thinks he’ll take away the right to protest and criticise the government, he’s wrong.
This post is going to get immediately swamped by Republicans.
‘Free speech’ to me these days basically means, can someone be racist without consequences.
Yes, because unlike the Americans, most of us don’t think that hate speech or telling people to kill themselves should be legally protected speech!
And that limit is “If Klemperer or Chalmers don’t like it.”
Probably shouldn’t bring up pedophilia with Trump around. He’ll get Starmer taken off the air.
Who is Starmer to tell anyone what is the limit?
Ah yes, more censorship. That’s what he wants to be remembered for.
I agree with Starmer here. Yes, you can say what you want, but there is a point where your words can pose an issue. For instance, there’s 0 issue with thinking ‘This government is awful’ or ‘I don’t like this person’, but when your speech devolves into threats & all sorts of nasty things, then yes, damn right legal consequences will come from your words.
Trump following Starmer, after Starmer designated Palestine Action a Terrorist organisation which has caused the Police to romp around arresting anyone protesting Israel in a dampening effect on free speech.
Trump has now designated the entirely nebulous Antifi as a terrorist organisation even though it’s not actually an organisation at all but simply an umbrella term for anyone that protests against them.
Starmer must be kicking himself that he didn’t designate “Antiblairitewanker” as a terrorist group.
He’s already nuked it with the OSA, and they want and are trying to go further. It gonna get much worse in the near future.
So not free speech then , at least he admits it now
By free speech he means as long as you agree with me.
BTW Starmer is a GAYBOI!
“….but there is a limit”
Is a very disturbing statement coming from the leader of the country.
Why are we comparing ourselves with America? Starmer is the UK PM and he is addressing stupidity like the arrest of the Irishman and the impact of the OSA.
Personally I think the problem is with the police rather than the legislation. It has always been their job to enforce the law but also be reasonable in their application of it. However they do seem to have become overzealous in recent years and don’t row back until a court or politician calls them out.
They police by consent and for most people an old fashioned bollocking off a copper is enough to keep you in line. For the over entitled and bolshy a night in the cells would suffice. That leaves the police free to deal with the serious offenders including the really nasty online nutters.
Yes we have freedom of speech but it has always been the case that inciteful or provocative speech in a public forum will get you in trouble. Social media has given gobshites more outlets and the police have to respond. Whenever somebody claims loudly the first test should be what else were the doing when they got arrested?
Says the man that classified a protest group as a terrorist organisation and enabled the online safety act and tried to get apple to install a default back door vulnerability. Didn’t two people get arrested for projection of epstein and trump on a wall? Free speech my arse
Apparently that limit is projecting a photo of Trump and Epstein
After the new censorship bill that was applied, which is very vague, much like the ‘Islamphobia’ law that is trying to get pushed through.
Basically, they are giving the next government a very authoritarian set of laws that can be applied very easily.