Riforma elettorale posteriore per incorporare la “maggioranza progressista” e contrastare Farage, Starmer ha esortato
Back electoral reform to embed ‘progressive majority’ and thwart Farage, Starmer urged
di corbynista2029
Riforma elettorale posteriore per incorporare la “maggioranza progressista” e contrastare Farage, Starmer ha esortato
Back electoral reform to embed ‘progressive majority’ and thwart Farage, Starmer urged
di corbynista2029
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Abolishing the HoL and replacing it with a proportionally elected upper chamber that can rebuff Parliament indefinitely. That’d have the same effect as reforming elections to the commons, only it’d also get rid of the HoL. It’s wins as far as the eye can see.
These ideas are for the birds. This would have to be a manifesto pledge. To come into power with a massive majority through first past the post, see you’re loosing terribly in the polls and then push through change to proportional representation, will cause massive amounts of backlash.
1. Changing the voting system specifically to empower/block one party or group or idea is basically abandoning democracy.
2. Under straight PR we would not have had a majority government for decades and we’d probably already have a reform coalition government now. So it won’t even deliver that lol
3. If you actually want to stop reform, just deliver on your manifesto. When people have jobs and houses and affordable living they will be much more chill and stop looking for alternatives to mainstream politics…
>progressive majority
Farages parties have consistently been polling as the 3rd biggest party by vote share for the last decade, more representative democracy would be giving them far more power and influence than they currently have.
Before Brexit and at the last election they got millions more votes than the Lib Dems and more votes than all the other parties outside the main 3 combined.
I’m all for electoral reform, but you need to be prepared that it won’t suddenly mean your favourite party is going to win.
This would be a smart and progressive policy which is why Starmer will never go for it.
The Labour Right would rather an outright majority government once in a while rather than cementing even a little bit of power in the hands of those to the left.
Seems like a no brainer, Lib Dems, Greens, Labour (membership), Reform have all said they support this. It’s only the Tories (including Starmer) who oppose it
I’m all for electoral reform, but I don’t think it guarantees a progressive majority. If we had PR a Ref+Con coalition is a likely outcome.
Tbh this is not a bad idea Farage himself has been calling for PR so it will wrongfoot him big time. I will also say coalition means that parties have to compromise meaning that they might be forced to ditch their will policies.
‘Change the entire voting system to produce a desired result’ sure doesn’t sound very democratic
FPTP is undemocratic and should have been replaced decades ago.
Any system that gives anyone 2/3 of the seats on 1/3 of the vote needs to go
I’d love a proper proportional system, if only so the parties can stop pretending they aren’t already factional coalitions and finally sort themselves into new parties that have coherent ideologies
I’d even go a step further and move legislative power to a sortition based chamber of randomly selected citizens. That would break the dominance of whichever special interest groups parties are terrified of upsetting and allow for actual representative policy development
If Labour were smart they’d implement Proportional Representation to block Reform out of government, especially if it looks like Labour are gonna get obliterated at the next election anyway, they’ve basically got nothing to lose from doing it
Seems like a bit of a fantasy when the latest polling is 49% for Con/Ref and 47% for lab/lib/gr/snp/pc. **And** it presumes that those prospective voters for Labour and LibDems would necessarily stay for a left wing progressive government. This idea that somehow PR would usher in progressive governments that can’t win FPTP elections seems rather hopeful. Maybe we get centre left and right forming a government instead as has happened elsewhere.
No government who wins a majority will ever change the voting system. And, even ignoring that, “change the voting system so your opponents can’t win!” is hardly a very good look.
Rigging the election will never be a good look. People already feel this Labour government is authoritarian.
Maybe PR is a good idea. But it should only be implemented by a government that would not directly benefit at the next election.
Labour are not particularly known for doing sensible things that would make elections fairer…
While I can support it, a mix of Ref+Con+centre right Lib/Labour swing voters would edge past 50%.
I’d wait until the Senedd elections in Wales next year that will be PR using the D’Hondt method.
Because, if Reform are the largest party but don’t form a government because Plaid + Labour + LibDem + Green form a government they’ll be like Trump and MAGA. Spouting off that they won the election (people aren’t used to PR in the UK, the mindset is FPTP) so should form the government and it was stolen.
Reminds me of the Biden era where they kept hoping their boring, mild-mannered governance would eventually click with the impatient electorate eager for change. Surely it will work this time.
Change the voting laws to keep power and stop another parting winning in a fair vote….. Sounds like treason to me
Allow Europeans with settled status to vote and you are probably good to go.
We should reform the electoral system, not because it would allow people of one faction to win, but because it would create a fair result.