Mentre gli stati neutrali dell’Europa si avvicinano alla NATO, l’Irlanda si avvicina a una svolta per la sua sicurezza

Bullshit. Anything that happens outside Ireland’s borders is none of its concern.

Ukraine falls? Don’t care.

Poland falls? Don’t care.

Baltics fall? Also, don’t care.

Stopped reading when it started talking about Irish GDP

EDIT: to be clear, I think Ireland should invest more in its military, but the artificially high GDP isn’t why.

So say Ireland increases its defence spending, and a couple of years from now when people are used to the defence spending increase and cuts need to be made elsewhere, where do you think they’ll be taken from? Tax the wealthy? Cut public services?

>Brochet and Orchard **noted that public support for rearmament in Europe can’t be taken for granted, especially when it implies trading social security for defense security**, when there is no perception of imminent danger.

>“**It could trigger a massive and potentially radical rejection of the rearmament drive in European countries, especially if they are distant from the European border**,” they said. “Future elections in Europe are likely to test the resolve of the voting populations, with a risk of backtracking on the plan should regime change ensue.”

We also don’t have our own defence industry so most money invested is gone out of the country, Others will tell you of other neutral nations, but they hardly mention that they have a defence industry of their own and money gets re-invested
>“**Local players disproportionately benefit from the strength in defense spending, as countries aim at reinvesting what is effectively their taxpayer money into their domestic economies**,” Brochet and Orchard wrote, adding that has been particularly visible in Germany and Eastern Europe.

[European arms industry growth to beat 10% a year, Redburn forecasts](https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2025/10/06/european-arms-industry-growth-to-beat-10-a-year-redburn-forecasts/)

When it comes to the cables, they are owned by private corporations, Will the Irish government be reimbursed? Not a chance! What is this? Socialism for corporations? I thought they want less government interference in their businesses?

>**Ireland has faced scrutiny from security and defense analysts for its relatively low levels of military and defense spending.** Despite the current government’s record-high defense budget of €1.35 billion ($1.48 billion) with a stated goal of increasing defense spending to €1.5 billion ($1.74 billion) by 2028, this still only accounts for 0.25 percent of Ireland’s gross domestic product (GDP). Ireland spends the least on defense out of any country in the European Union, despite having the second-highest GDP per capita in the bloc—its defense spending is only half that of fellow neutral state Malta, a country with about a tenth the population of Ireland. At the 2025 NATO Summit in The Hague, other European countries committed to spending 5 percent of their GDP on defense, further widening the gap between Ireland and its NATO-member neighbors when it comes to defense spending.

Of course, the defence lobbyists are unhappy that Ireland isn’t putting the money into the Military industrial complex’s shareholders back pockets

They also use the fake GDP statics, Can you image how much Ireland would have to pay for 5% of its GDP?

I dunno how people can speak out against the horrible shit Israel is doing to Palestinian civilians but when it comes to Ukraine – a fellow European country literally fighting for its independence against an aggressive imperialist state – they couldn’t give a fuck.

Neutrality is definitely a worthy endeavour but it seems too many people are happy enough that it’s at the expense of our allies and neighbours in the East who don’t have this luxury.

What if in some alt reality the UK got some fascist headcase who decided since everyone in Ireland speaks English, and it had been a part of the Empire for hundreds of years, it should be British again and invaded.

You’d like to think our European neighbours would give a fuck and help the island out in some way. The irony would be the Ukrainians would probably be the first to lend its support.

I always find these threads hilarious, Nato would never take us, our gear is shit and we spend the lowest amount of money in Europe on our Army

Youd swear people thought Nato are foaming at the mouth to accept 6000 under funded troops with no air capabilities, limited sea capabilities and an Army with a severe retention/brain drain issue

Regardless of whether or not we should join NATO, the state of our defence forces is embarrassing. In this day and age, to have such a weak defence force is ridiculous. Literally no defence from anything, especially cyber attacks.

Look at me, Dr. Zoidberg, aeroplane enjoyer!

I’m for a Irish air force, drones, Cybersecurity, more soldiers and read defence force that’s professional and can defend this country most people agree we shouldn’t free load off the RAF

But I’m sure as hell we don’t need to join NATO we don’t need to be dragged into wars and conflicts

We as members of the EU and UN do our part as we did with Ukraine refugees

I’d be fine with us working closer to the rest of Europe when it comes to defence but screw NATO. The US is more of a threat than a friend.

I invite NATO to join the Hiberno Alliance.