This is mixed with a massive falling trust in mainstream politics and an endless array of people promising fixes but not delivering.
The left fixiate on Brexit, though these issues started long before then, and for the post industrial towns go back to the 70s and even 60s.
They are often broadly similar to similar economies but people will not admit that this is broad set of problems, instead fixating on things that are popular inside their echo chambers and living on the laziest of politics where they endlessly restreat into easy answers that would do f all to fix the long term problems.
Reform are populist, dishonest and opportunist. But people have been promised fixes by the mainstream for nearly 20 years and gotten nothing so simply name calling them is not going to change the huge political shift in to almost nihilistic support for anything that offers an alternative to the current stasis.
And it is stasis and decline.
It makes you all feel good name calling but we have to be honest that this is a general crisis across the developed world and there are no easy fixes. Only when people admit they dont have an easy fix there is a chance enough people might start believe us when we tell them Reform have no easy fixes either. When we promise them and do not deliver then turn to name calling for the next set of easy fixes, do not expect to make much impact.
Competitive_Mix3627 on
I dont know when these politicians will learn that calling something Nazi like doesnt change peoples minds. You have to debate the idea, not just try and say X bad dont vote for them.
Calling trump a fascist didnt help.
Farage’s popularity is increasing
Italy, greece, and poland have gone further right over years.
King_of_East_Anglia on
“Fascism is when you want to return to early 2000s levels of mass immigration in Britain” – Benito Mussolini, ‘The Doctrine of Fascism’.
HotelPuzzleheaded654 on
A lot of people are quick to dismiss calling Reform or any modern political party as fascists because it’s synonymous with Nazism, and that seems hysterical because what the Nazis did were crimes against humanity.
But do you think the Nazis started out with the “final solution”? (Clue’s in the name) and this isn’t to say Reform are going mass murder migrants but the playbook to get into power is the same i.e scapegoating powerless minorities to get into power.
RaymondBumcheese on
Classic bleeding heart lefty who **checks wikipedia page** was a Conservative MP for 45 years and served in Thatchers cabinet for 11…
Voyages_1701 on
I don’t like Reform or Farage but Heseltine has always been a wanker. Tough immigration controls and actually deporting foreign criminals is in no way fascist.
ARookwood on
Careful, they’re very delicate and they get very upset when you call them what they are.
They just don’t like it!
TokyoBaguette on
Same playbook – it’s obvious for anyone with a bit of education.
TurnLooseTheKitties on
Those that don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
The flag shagger might know all about WW2 to utter such things as ‘ Lest We Forget ‘ and ‘ Never Again ‘ but they don’t seem to be aware of what happened before WW2.
DR_MantistobogganXL on
Cool who’s our Neville chamberlain this time round?
NiceFryingPan on
Yup, again we hear that the old Tory warhorse is absolutely correct in his assumptions and opinions.
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Reform are popular because of a mix of things.
UK GDP per capita has had a poor performance but so has much of the developed world.
[https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=GB-DE-FR-US&start=2008](https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=GB-DE-FR-US&start=2008)
Housing has become far less affordable.
[https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/housing/bulletins/housingaffordabilityinenglandandwales/2024](https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/housing/bulletins/housingaffordabilityinenglandandwales/2024)
Inflation has been very high in a period of very low wage growth
[https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices/timeseries/l55o/mm23](https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices/timeseries/l55o/mm23)
Immigration has been much higher than the long term trend, people have been voting to lower it yet it sky rocketed
[http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN06077/assets/62436139-f99f-4657-aea3-a6e9baea4bd3.png](http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN06077/assets/62436139-f99f-4657-aea3-a6e9baea4bd3.png)
This is mixed with a massive falling trust in mainstream politics and an endless array of people promising fixes but not delivering.
The left fixiate on Brexit, though these issues started long before then, and for the post industrial towns go back to the 70s and even 60s.
They are often broadly similar to similar economies but people will not admit that this is broad set of problems, instead fixating on things that are popular inside their echo chambers and living on the laziest of politics where they endlessly restreat into easy answers that would do f all to fix the long term problems.
Reform are populist, dishonest and opportunist. But people have been promised fixes by the mainstream for nearly 20 years and gotten nothing so simply name calling them is not going to change the huge political shift in to almost nihilistic support for anything that offers an alternative to the current stasis.
And it is stasis and decline.
It makes you all feel good name calling but we have to be honest that this is a general crisis across the developed world and there are no easy fixes. Only when people admit they dont have an easy fix there is a chance enough people might start believe us when we tell them Reform have no easy fixes either. When we promise them and do not deliver then turn to name calling for the next set of easy fixes, do not expect to make much impact.
I dont know when these politicians will learn that calling something Nazi like doesnt change peoples minds. You have to debate the idea, not just try and say X bad dont vote for them.
Calling trump a fascist didnt help.
Farage’s popularity is increasing
Italy, greece, and poland have gone further right over years.
“Fascism is when you want to return to early 2000s levels of mass immigration in Britain” – Benito Mussolini, ‘The Doctrine of Fascism’.
A lot of people are quick to dismiss calling Reform or any modern political party as fascists because it’s synonymous with Nazism, and that seems hysterical because what the Nazis did were crimes against humanity.
But do you think the Nazis started out with the “final solution”? (Clue’s in the name) and this isn’t to say Reform are going mass murder migrants but the playbook to get into power is the same i.e scapegoating powerless minorities to get into power.
Classic bleeding heart lefty who **checks wikipedia page** was a Conservative MP for 45 years and served in Thatchers cabinet for 11…
I don’t like Reform or Farage but Heseltine has always been a wanker. Tough immigration controls and actually deporting foreign criminals is in no way fascist.
Careful, they’re very delicate and they get very upset when you call them what they are.
They just don’t like it!
Same playbook – it’s obvious for anyone with a bit of education.
Those that don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
The flag shagger might know all about WW2 to utter such things as ‘ Lest We Forget ‘ and ‘ Never Again ‘ but they don’t seem to be aware of what happened before WW2.
Cool who’s our Neville chamberlain this time round?
Yup, again we hear that the old Tory warhorse is absolutely correct in his assumptions and opinions.