If you ever wonder where your council tax money goes – it’s to people like him. And care home fees.
WingiestOfMirrors on
I wonder how much money he saved swapping out all his taxis for children, you’d need a lot of them to carry the passengers, doesn’t seem like a great business move to me but im not making 10 mil a year
Jamie00003 on
Erm….good on him? Should he not be driving around special needs kids?
CatchPersonal7182 on
As a taxi driver this is easy money. You get paid £75 for 3 hours of work and the company provides the car and insurance.
The benefit class know that the local government will provide there kids with a taxi service if they are diagnosed with SEN so they are doing whatever they can to make sure they are diagnosed with it.
My aunty does this, she has a 5 seater with SEN kids, one of them was swearing the cab, the kid told the parent and the parent complained about of the kids swearing in the cab and now the local council has to send a private taxi to pick up this one kid rather than being seated with 4 others.
FlyWayOrDaHighway on
Wait till you find out about Sutton council’s plan to pay landlords with no prior care experience to turn their properties into care homes to house vulnerable children.
When the general public finds out it’ll be a scandal and it’s most certainly going to do significant damage to these children.
I guess councils can do what they want under the guise of contracting and cutting back spending though. Rules don’t apply to them.
Captain_English on
The question should really be how many kids?
The main argument is about whether this is cheaper than building new schools, or providing dedicated provision in several schools, for SEN children, not about absolute money spent.
A separate argument is around whether you think special provision should exist for SEN children, and another still as to the extend of that provision.
A final distinct argument is the threshold for SEN diagnosis and provision, and how valid that is in representing whether a child’s needs genuinely warrant distinct care.
Average_sheep1411 on
The councils were willing to pay it, that’s the main problem.
ChampionshipOk5046 on
What do we do to care for these children that doesn’t drain our tax money?
TurbulentBullfrog829 on
The business has 4,500 vehicles; over 5,000 drivers and transports over 11,000 children on a revenue of almost 100M.
Revenue is about 10k/child per year for about 200 journeys, or £50 each. I’m assuming these aren’t local schools so that doesn’t seem that unreasonable, does it?
TTNNBB2023 on
According to the article itself that ‘nearly £10m’ is actually £8.6m from a revenue of £95.7m so he’s making around 9% profit, after making a £0.5m loss last year.
Now before anybody jumps down my throat, I am not defending him of claiming that councils could not save money by doing in themselves, just trying to point out that he’s probably not massively overcharging, he’s just cornered the market, which isn’t great either, but lets be honest, if this guy was detecting new fracking sites and not helping disabled kids get to school the Telegraph would be talking about how important he is to the future of the UK.
gooneruk on
Where in the article does it show that he actually makes £10m/year? As far as I can see, they’re using the most recent accounts which show an operating profit of £8.6m.
Perhaps they’re looking at the gross profit of £20.8m and then splitting that in two between him and his son, the other co-owner of the company?
I’ve had a look at the [company accounts](https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/12932121/filing-history) which were filed on 1st September, and the company doesn’t look massively profitable. After tax it was making a loss, to my untrained eye, and further down the accounts the total remuneration to the three directors was a smidge under £200k. The total dividends payout was £635k, to an unknown number of shareholders, and there was a total pension contribution of £370k.
The only other element I can see in the accounts which might be relevant is that a £7.5m loan to 24×7 (Investment) Ltd was forgiven/written off. The investment firm is controlled by the shareholders of the parent group.
(I’m not debating that SEND provision, including transport costs, is a big element of every council’s budget nowadays. I just question the accuracy of this headline and article in particular. The article only has a brief section on 24×7 group at the top, and then in paragraph 23 it notes that the company made a post-tax loss. I cannot see anywhere where the £10m earnings is clarified or even mentioned again.)
emohelelwhy on
My work is sort of related to this area. One big issue is that its very difficult to hire/retain/train staff. They’re only needed during the school rush so it’s very few hours (but not at all flexible), the pay is bugger all, the work is rewarding but also very challenging. A lot of these kids can be aggressive or need serious medical support. Councils having their own vehicles would solve some issues but I don’t know how you’d get past this one without a lot more funding.
banbha19981998 on
Once the price hits a certain point why aren’t we just hiring our own – are their rules limiting this as an option?
vividpup5535 on
Telegraph back to bashing special needs services again, and the fans lapping it up again. Excellent.
This won’t stop the reform polling from falling though.
shaftydude on
Transport for SEN pupils crosses £2 billion a year.
2 billion is a lot of money.
It’s 10 million net profit. His company actually grossed nearly 100million.
But there’s no hiding from 2 Billion.
That’s a a lot of money.
The government could self fund their own fleet company with 2 billion a year spend.
El_Wij on
Baidu’s Apollo RT6 self-driving robotaxi costs approximately $34,525 per unit during mass production.
Buy 300 of these.
achillea4 on
This is where our tax money is going folks. Are parents not able to take their SN kids to school?
Weird-Statistician on
Bring it in house. It’s not exactly a difficult skill to find.
NoRecipe3350 on
I’m not sure why we can’t just have drivers on fixed rates.
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If you ever wonder where your council tax money goes – it’s to people like him. And care home fees.
I wonder how much money he saved swapping out all his taxis for children, you’d need a lot of them to carry the passengers, doesn’t seem like a great business move to me but im not making 10 mil a year
Erm….good on him? Should he not be driving around special needs kids?
As a taxi driver this is easy money. You get paid £75 for 3 hours of work and the company provides the car and insurance.
The benefit class know that the local government will provide there kids with a taxi service if they are diagnosed with SEN so they are doing whatever they can to make sure they are diagnosed with it.
My aunty does this, she has a 5 seater with SEN kids, one of them was swearing the cab, the kid told the parent and the parent complained about of the kids swearing in the cab and now the local council has to send a private taxi to pick up this one kid rather than being seated with 4 others.
Wait till you find out about Sutton council’s plan to pay landlords with no prior care experience to turn their properties into care homes to house vulnerable children.
When the general public finds out it’ll be a scandal and it’s most certainly going to do significant damage to these children.
I guess councils can do what they want under the guise of contracting and cutting back spending though. Rules don’t apply to them.
The question should really be how many kids?
The main argument is about whether this is cheaper than building new schools, or providing dedicated provision in several schools, for SEN children, not about absolute money spent.
A separate argument is around whether you think special provision should exist for SEN children, and another still as to the extend of that provision.
A final distinct argument is the threshold for SEN diagnosis and provision, and how valid that is in representing whether a child’s needs genuinely warrant distinct care.
The councils were willing to pay it, that’s the main problem.
What do we do to care for these children that doesn’t drain our tax money?
The business has 4,500 vehicles; over 5,000 drivers and transports over 11,000 children on a revenue of almost 100M.
Revenue is about 10k/child per year for about 200 journeys, or £50 each. I’m assuming these aren’t local schools so that doesn’t seem that unreasonable, does it?
According to the article itself that ‘nearly £10m’ is actually £8.6m from a revenue of £95.7m so he’s making around 9% profit, after making a £0.5m loss last year.
Now before anybody jumps down my throat, I am not defending him of claiming that councils could not save money by doing in themselves, just trying to point out that he’s probably not massively overcharging, he’s just cornered the market, which isn’t great either, but lets be honest, if this guy was detecting new fracking sites and not helping disabled kids get to school the Telegraph would be talking about how important he is to the future of the UK.
Where in the article does it show that he actually makes £10m/year? As far as I can see, they’re using the most recent accounts which show an operating profit of £8.6m.
Perhaps they’re looking at the gross profit of £20.8m and then splitting that in two between him and his son, the other co-owner of the company?
I’ve had a look at the [company accounts](https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/12932121/filing-history) which were filed on 1st September, and the company doesn’t look massively profitable. After tax it was making a loss, to my untrained eye, and further down the accounts the total remuneration to the three directors was a smidge under £200k. The total dividends payout was £635k, to an unknown number of shareholders, and there was a total pension contribution of £370k.
The only other element I can see in the accounts which might be relevant is that a £7.5m loan to 24×7 (Investment) Ltd was forgiven/written off. The investment firm is controlled by the shareholders of the parent group.
(I’m not debating that SEND provision, including transport costs, is a big element of every council’s budget nowadays. I just question the accuracy of this headline and article in particular. The article only has a brief section on 24×7 group at the top, and then in paragraph 23 it notes that the company made a post-tax loss. I cannot see anywhere where the £10m earnings is clarified or even mentioned again.)
My work is sort of related to this area. One big issue is that its very difficult to hire/retain/train staff. They’re only needed during the school rush so it’s very few hours (but not at all flexible), the pay is bugger all, the work is rewarding but also very challenging. A lot of these kids can be aggressive or need serious medical support. Councils having their own vehicles would solve some issues but I don’t know how you’d get past this one without a lot more funding.
Once the price hits a certain point why aren’t we just hiring our own – are their rules limiting this as an option?
Telegraph back to bashing special needs services again, and the fans lapping it up again. Excellent.
This won’t stop the reform polling from falling though.
Transport for SEN pupils crosses £2 billion a year.
2 billion is a lot of money.
It’s 10 million net profit. His company actually grossed nearly 100million.
But there’s no hiding from 2 Billion.
That’s a a lot of money.
The government could self fund their own fleet company with 2 billion a year spend.
Baidu’s Apollo RT6 self-driving robotaxi costs approximately $34,525 per unit during mass production.
Buy 300 of these.
This is where our tax money is going folks. Are parents not able to take their SN kids to school?
Bring it in house. It’s not exactly a difficult skill to find.
I’m not sure why we can’t just have drivers on fixed rates.