
Trump ha esortato Zelenskyj ad accettare le condizioni di Putin altrimenti verrà “distrutto” dalla Russia | il presidente degli Stati Uniti ha gettato da parte le mappe della linea del fronte in Ucraina, ha insistito affinché Zelenskyj consegnasse l’intera regione del Donbas a Putin, e ha ripetutamente fatto eco ai punti di discussione che il leader russo aveva fatto nel suo appello il giorno prima.
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Donald Trump urged Volodymyr Zelenskyy to accept Russia’s terms for ending its war in a volatile White House meeting on Friday, warning that Vladimir Putin had said he would “destroy” Ukraine if it did not agree.
The meeting between the US and Ukrainian presidents descended many times into a “shouting match”, with Trump “cursing all the time”, people familiar with the matter said.
They added that the US president tossed aside maps of the frontline in Ukraine, insisted Zelenskyy surrender the entire Donbas region to Putin, and repeatedly echoed talking points the Russian leader had made in their call a day earlier.
Though Ukraine ultimately managed to swing Trump back to endorsing a freeze of the current front lines, the acrimonious meeting appeared to reflect the capricious nature of Trump’s position on the war and his willingness to endorse Putin’s maximalist demands.
The meeting between Trump and Zelenskyy came amid a fresh push by the US president to end Russia’s war following the ceasefire secured between Israel and Hamas.
Zelenskyy and his team went to the White House hoping to persuade Trump to supply them with long-range Tomahawk cruise missiles, but the US president ultimately declined to do so.
The tense meeting echoed a similarly fractious encounter at the White House in February, in which Trump and Vice-President JD Vance lambasted Zelenskyy for what they characterised as a lack of gratitude towards the US.
During Friday’s meeting, Trump appeared to have adopted many of Putin’s talking points verbatim, even when they contradicted his own recent statements about Russia’s weaknesses, said European officials briefed on the meeting.
According to a European official with knowledge of the meeting, Trump told Zelenskyy that the Ukrainian leader needed to cut a deal or face destruction.
The official said that Trump told Zelenskyy he was losing the war, warning: “If [Putin] wants it, he will destroy you.”
At one point in the meeting, the US president threw Ukraine’s maps of the battlefield to one side, the official familiar with the encounter said.
The White House and the Ukrainian president’s office did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
Trump told Fox News on Sunday that he was confident about securing an end to the conflict, and added that Putin is “going to take something, he’s won certain property”.
Putin made a new offer to Trump on Thursday under which Ukraine would surrender the parts of the eastern Donbas region under its control in exchange for some small areas of the two southern frontline regions of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia.
The Russian proposal marks a small concession from that made during Putin’s last meeting with Trump in Alaska in August, where he said he would agree to freeze the line of contact elsewhere on the frontline if Ukraine surrendered the Donbas.
That meeting also ended acrimoniously after Putin rejected Trump’s push for an immediate ceasefire and digressed at length about medieval Ukrainian history, prompting the US to explore ramped-up support for Kyiv, including by supplying Tomahawk missiles.
But ceding the remainder of the Donbas still under Ukrainian control would be a non-starter for Ukraine, as it would hand Moscow territory it has only partially occupied for more than a decade and failed to seize despite its efforts since Putin ordered the invasion in 2022.
Russian forces have struggled to retain the territory in Kherson and Zaporizhzhia that Putin offered in exchange, and have made virtually no progress on the battlefield there since 2022, the year the war began.
“To give [the Donbas] to Russia without a fight is unacceptable for Ukrainian society, and Putin knows that,” said Oleksandr Merezhko, chair of the Ukrainian parliament’s foreign affairs committee.
He said that Putin might be pushing the contentious idea “with a purpose to cause division within Ukraine and undermine our unity”.
Merezhko added: “It’s not about getting more territory for Russia, it’s about how to destroy us from within.”
Trump’s belligerent repetition of Putin’s rhetoric on Friday dashed hopes among many of Ukraine’s European allies that he could be convinced to increase support to Kyiv.
That hope had risen after Trump in recent weeks expressed frustration and impatience with the Russian president’s refusal to actively engage in bilateral peace negotiations with Zelenskyy.
Three other European officials briefed on the White House discussions confirmed that Trump had spent much of the meeting lecturing Zelenskyy, repeating Putin’s arguments about the conflict and urging him to accept the Russian proposal.
“Zelenskyy was very negative” following the meeting, according to one of the officials, adding that European leaders were “not optimistic but pragmatic with planning next steps”.
In a statement on Sunday, Zelenskyy said “decisive steps are needed from the United States, Europe, the G20 and G7 countries” to end the war.
Trump is just Putin’s American puppet who does whatever Putin says.
The orange dumbf**k is only the symptom, never forget: his voters are literally dumber than he is.
There’s something deeply unamerican telling a country fighting for its freedom and survival to just “give up”. Trump just wants to say he saved the day and ended the war for an ego boost. He’s a clown.
Trump’s view of the day should be a lotto game
So the big idea by Donny boy is for Ukraine to validate daddy Putin and just give up land and people and accept it
Wow! Why didn’t we do that with hitler? Would be so much easier for the people not affected by it
What a loser
I already aaid this visit from. Zelesnky was a mistake. USA migh even poisoined him . Its stupid to entertain trump
I bet if someone investigated Donald’s income sources, it would show plenty from Moscow. The guy is a certified russian agent and traitor, just like Tucker and Oliver Stone.
Never thought US would bow down to Russia.
For a dude who said “it’s not his war,” he’s too concerned about how those who are actually involved in it do things. And he wants Russia to win ‘cause the US are dependent on its existence. Trump is the enemy of the free world.
This dumb piece of shit. Stop sucking Russia’s dick for ONE SECOND! PLEASE! JESUS!
I have said this for a long time and will continue to repeat: Trump is a coward and can’t be trusted. Europe needs to take the lead from the US and support Ukraine on its own.
Remember that he has welcomed Putin with a red carpet.
Trump just agrees with the last person to talk forcibly to him. He has no firm opinions
Trump will go down in history as the most pathetic US president (so far) and a jizz napkin for an impotent oligarch of a third world country. He and everyone who has elected and supported him have destroyed any respect and authority that US has built throughout the history. Everyone is either laughing or cringing at the ‘murica that has somehow managed to become its own worst caricature.
Sadly, many people will die because of this demented pedo and all his utterly insane sycophants with late stage Stockholm syndrome.
damn, Hitler is probably crying watching all this. He must regret that there wasnt a Trump in his time
Trump repeats the opinion of the last person he spoke to for the enteenth time
Trump is a Russian agent (krasnov) and the USA are the biggest threat to the free world. Rot in hell pos country
Europe and Ukraine need to act together — as if NATO and the U.S. no longer exist, because in practice, that’s already becoming the case.
Aside from the U.S., there are “allies” like Hungary and other pro-Putin states that are NATO on paper, but in reality, they act — and will continue to act — on Russia’s side
Russia, together with China, is developing drone-warfare technology and is preparing — through Russia’s hands — to wage war against the West next, whether hybrid or full-scale. The Baltic states will be the first targets.
And when that happens, it will be only a coalition of free nations — without the U.S., if that orange taco stays in power — that will defend Europe.
I just hope Europe is already restructuring its defense industry, wherever possible, around its own and Ukrainian production, and cutting dependence on U.S. supplies. You don’t need to shout about it publicly, but it’s something that absolutely must start now — because realizing later that the U.S. betrayed you will be too late.
I think it’s time Europe asked America to take a step back . Sell us weapons if they want, but let the nations of Europe take the lead going forward. They want to focus on “America first” then let them.
Guess Putin reminded the Turd of the videos he has of him f××king kids.
First it’s the Donbas, then it will be something else. A never-ending cycle of surrender.
Appeasement doesn’t work.
Trump is now in full senile dementia
This would open up the entire country for future invasions. The strongest defense installations are located in this region… Ukraine cannot accept these terms and Ukraine can’t sacrifice hundreds of thousands of its citizens either. Accepting this would be the end of Ukraine, it would mean that Kyiv would be conquered next.
Yeah that’s the end. He’s going full Russia now
Donny famously parrots the views of the last person in the room.
Ukraine needs to focus on ramping up the production of long range missiles, then they don’t need Tomahawks from the US. The Europeans can provide reconnaissance / targeting support, if necessary.
Focus on what you can influence yourself – dramatically increasing the costs of Russia’s criminal war of aggression. That’s the only way to truly strengthen their negotiating position, no matter what shameful appeasement the White House comes up with next.
I hope the mouth breathers are happy. Fucking dumbasses. I will never understand the other half of this country.
i hope everyone in finland, baltic countries and poland is watching